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Is there any country now or ever where you didn’t have to work until you died (on average) with a lottery (birth, talent, luck) that lets you be free by living off the work of everyone else?
Getting to choose your work has always been the only fredom.
Historically speaking, in a lot of societies a slave had little to no rights. You were another person’s property, in the worst case you had as much rights as a table, and everyone saw that as completely normal.
I’ll talk a bit about the Romans. The position of a slave varied a whole lot between different cultures, eras, and states, but I picked Rome because that’s where I’m best versed in.
So. If you were one of the lucky few, you could have a fairly good position, like a teacher or a secretary, if you were an educated man. In the worst case you could be mining in unspeakably horrid working conditions, and die very early from disease/malnutrition/injury/abuse or whatever.
Still, no matter what work you did, you were completely vulnerable to your master’s whims. He could kill you with no consequences. (IIRC later someone, maybe Claudius, made it illegal to kill a slave for no good reason. One can only ask what they considered a good reason.) You could get whipped. In addition to not getting to choose where you worked, you couldn’t choose where you lived either. You couldn’t get married. You couldn’t own property because you were property yourself.
So, even if you now got forced to work X job, you’d still have so many rights. Your boss can’t chain you to your table or whatever and beat the living shit out of you if they feel like it. (yet)
I understand your point and appreciate you sharing it with me. You have my word I’ll put this information to good use.
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yapshare information!What about the freedom to not have a residence and not being locked up for the audacity of not living in a fixed location?
Not owning a house is slavery? What country today or ever in history had guaranteed a home?
Ideally, land should not be owned. Land is kept from pure ownership in progressive states through property taxes. You are in effect only renting the land from the state but keep the right to not be removed and the right to sell it.
I was actually referring to the freedom to be a vagabond, hermit, or whatever style of nomadic life you prefer.
What I’m implying is not having a registered legal residence does not allow you to claim some of your rights as a citizen in many countries. You can’t get a driver’s license, passport, etc in the USA. Here in Chile I’m pretty sure you can’t even pay taxes.
I’m not sure how that relates to slavery. Freedom to be a vagabond still requires income from work. You are choosing to work odd jobs from place to place.
I’m not choosing anything. I just think it would be nice to be able to choose more things without getting locked up in a cage.
I don’t know about Chile but in the US you only need a PO box. I suspect Chile is the same because there’s probably a middle upper class that travels in mobile home/boats in retirement like in the US.
Requiring a way for society to communicate with an individual isn’t slavery.
I respect your opinion but i don’t share it. I didn’t mean mobile homes, though, and I haven’t seen what you describe in Chile. Maybe a few isolated cases through the years where I’ve seen trailers that display a lot of stickers that name or illustrate locations, to serve as proof of the travels of those inside, and thus an encoded status symbol for those with similar interests.
Your suspicion sounds like it may happen in a very very small scale. Why are you sharing it with me? Are you attempting to guess my social class? Cause if you are, don’t you think it’s a bit inconsiderate? Like I might make some people feel alienated? Is that what you were attempting? To draw distance? But, if you aren’t doing that, please do keep enlightening me with your musings about the socioeconomic lifestyle trends of the country I was raised and live in. Tell me more.
If you want to know about my family background, my employment, my income, the pricing of the educational institutions I went to, the neighborhood i live in, and basically any other aspect of my life situation that does not jeopardize my privacy, I can tell you about all these things. You just have to ask me directly. However, it might be wise to ask yourself which one of these aspects, these measurable scoring systems, you believe gives you legitimate cause for me to feel distance from you, or have any incidence over the conversation we’re having or my value as a person in its context.
However, if what you’d really like to know is what group of people, distributed by income, i feel like i belong to or owe loyalty to, we can spare ourselves the ceremony and I can straight out tell you right now.
I have several mental health conditions that have caused me, in one way or another, to be rejected or to commit self exile from any tribal association I’ve belonged to, except my brother and 2 sisters and a few internet communities (including this one). I have a very weak sense of identity and don’t feel like i culturally, ritualistically or socially belong to any country or social class. I have my history of trauma and group settings make me feel uneasy, which has also contributed to this dynamic.
I hope you get something out of this message. I wrote it with consideration and compassion, despite feeling upset. I also hope you found whatever it is you were looking for when you decided to communicate with me.
Have a good weekend.
My suggestion of a PO box had nothing to do with you personally.
It was simply a refutation of your claim that it was illegal to not have a permanent residence.
Erdős, one of the most famous mathematicians of all time didn’t have a permanent home. He travelled and stayed in the homes of other mathematicians and scientists.
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