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Is there any country now or ever where you didn’t have to work until you died (on average) with a lottery (birth, talent, luck) that lets you be free by living off the work of everyone else?
Getting to choose your work has always been the only fredom.
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Historically speaking, in a lot of societies a slave had little to no rights. You were another person’s property, in the worst case you had as much rights as a table, and everyone saw that as completely normal.
I’ll talk a bit about the Romans. The position of a slave varied a whole lot between different cultures, eras, and states, but I picked Rome because that’s where I’m best versed in.
So. If you were one of the lucky few, you could have a fairly good position, like a teacher or a secretary, if you were an educated man. In the worst case you could be mining in unspeakably horrid working conditions, and die very early from disease/malnutrition/injury/abuse or whatever.
Still, no matter what work you did, you were completely vulnerable to your master’s whims. He could kill you with no consequences. (IIRC later someone, maybe Claudius, made it illegal to kill a slave for no good reason. One can only ask what they considered a good reason.) You could get whipped. In addition to not getting to choose where you worked, you couldn’t choose where you lived either. You couldn’t get married. You couldn’t own property because you were property yourself.
So, even if you now got forced to work X job, you’d still have so many rights. Your boss can’t chain you to your table or whatever and beat the living shit out of you if they feel like it. (yet)
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What about the freedom to not have a residence and not being locked up for the audacity of not living in a fixed location?
Not owning a house is slavery? What country today or ever in history had guaranteed a home?
Ideally, land should not be owned. Land is kept from pure ownership in progressive states through property taxes. You are in effect only renting the land from the state but keep the right to not be removed and the right to sell it.
I was actually referring to the freedom to be a vagabond, hermit, or whatever style of nomadic life you prefer.
What I’m implying is not having a registered legal residence does not allow you to claim some of your rights as a citizen in many countries. You can’t get a driver’s license, passport, etc in the USA. Here in Chile I’m pretty sure you can’t even pay taxes.
I was actually referring to the freedom to be a vagabond
I’m not sure how that relates to slavery. Freedom to be a vagabond still requires income from work. You are choosing to work odd jobs from place to place.
I’m not choosing anything. I just think it would be nice to be able to choose more things without getting locked up in a cage.
I don’t know about Chile but in the US you only need a PO box. I suspect Chile is the same because there’s probably a middle upper class that travels in mobile home/boats in retirement like in the US.
Requiring a way for society to communicate with an individual isn’t slavery.
I respect your opinion but i don’t share it. I didn’t mean mobile homes, though, and I haven’t seen what you describe in Chile. Maybe a few isolated cases through the years where I’ve seen trailers that display a lot of stickers that name or illustrate locations, to serve as proof of the travels of those inside, and thus an encoded status symbol for those with similar interests.
Your suspicion sounds like it may happen in a very very small scale. Why are you sharing it with me? Are you attempting to guess my social class? Cause if you are, don’t you think it’s a bit inconsiderate? Like I might make some people feel alienated? Is that what you were attempting? To draw distance? But, if you aren’t doing that, please do keep enlightening me with your musings about the socioeconomic lifestyle trends of the country I was raised and live in. Tell me more.
If you want to know about my family background, my employment, my income, the pricing of the educational institutions I went to, the neighborhood i live in, and basically any other aspect of my life situation that does not jeopardize my privacy, I can tell you about all these things. You just have to ask me directly. However, it might be wise to ask yourself which one of these aspects, these measurable scoring systems, you believe gives you legitimate cause for me to feel distance from you, or have any incidence over the conversation we’re having or my value as a person in its context.
However, if what you’d really like to know is what group of people, distributed by income, i feel like i belong to or owe loyalty to, we can spare ourselves the ceremony and I can straight out tell you right now.
I have several mental health conditions that have caused me, in one way or another, to be rejected or to commit self exile from any tribal association I’ve belonged to, except my brother and 2 sisters and a few internet communities (including this one). I have a very weak sense of identity and don’t feel like i culturally, ritualistically or socially belong to any country or social class. I have my history of trauma and group settings make me feel uneasy, which has also contributed to this dynamic.
I hope you get something out of this message. I wrote it with consideration and compassion, despite feeling upset. I also hope you found whatever it is you were looking for when you decided to communicate with me.
Have a good weekend.
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Japan: Everyone, including the prime minister, is a slave to the U.S.
Ouch.
Ottoman empire is much like roman, every race possible are potential slaves
If I was into enslaving human beings, I’d probably subscribe to that policy myself. :)
Is that Danny Devito from “Matilda”?
Yes, it is snekerpimp. Good catch.
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what’s the united states of america empire?
You might know this collective human macroorganism or superstructure as The United States of America, United States, The United States, U.S., or USA. Not unlike Satan or Lucifer, the United States of America has many names and has many tricks up its sneaky, sneaky sleeves.
They are the nation which is widely considered the current globally dominant empire, extending their hegemony through most of the americas, europe and some stategic outposts in the caribbean and asia with a complex network of competing allies in the middle east. The have the world’s most powerful (and expensive) military forces. their intel services are top tier and they are masters of managing public opinion. They control or exert influence over several “neutral” “peace keeping” organizations such as the united nations, the world bank and several other very official very serious and neutral sock puppets. They are, however, in the imperial stage of late decadence, and have become obsessed with food, sex, fame, and all other kinds of hedonism we’re familiar with, leaving the values of the old in the past, now considered lies only suckers or evil men subscribe to.
You may not believe me, but I actually like them. Lived there when I was a kid. If it wasn’t them enslaving my country and by extension myself, it would be some other empire (like China or Russia). This is one of the reasons why learning history is important. If you’re unconvinced, that’s fine. Just think of me as another fediverse nutjob. Downvote me and go on with your life. I have no intention of changing your mind and I wish you well. <3
Overall, the American populace are good people imo. Their ruling class is full of dick heads, yes. Let’s take a look at our own ruling classes, though… Yep. Also dickheads. What a surprise.
My point is, the USA is an empire and empires commit atrocities, yes, but we could have it a lot worse, you know?
I’m pretty sure they’re named United States of America, not United States of American Empire
also, how are they enslaving you exactly?
I could explain if you want me to, but if you prefer I just deleted my post, my comment and vanished, I can also do that. All you have to do is let me know.
why would I want your post deleted and why would you do it if I wanted you to?
but yeah please explain how you’re enslaved
Well I could start by explaining that I, as a Chilean citizen, am subjected to a legal framework which was built upon a constitution which was made by the people of a ruler that was put in power through a CIA Operation during the administration of Richard Nixon. This constitution, while slightly modified, is still the Chilean constitution.
Enslavement is a very nuanced thing, not a boolean variable. There are many ways in which one may be and not be a slave, but yeah, legal framework is a pretty big part of that.
sure that’s bad, but as long as you’re nobody’s property it’s per definition no slavery
Ok so are you saying that if I lock someone in a cage and make them do everything I want, under the conditions I want them to, and if they do not comply, they will face brutal punishment and i do this during their entire life… But I have no legal ownership over this captive person (which i PROMISE is hypothetical), it’s cool cause if I look at a dictionary, they’re not a slave?
I love how you think. You’re gonna go places, friend.
Have a blessed weekend.
Not OP, but I’ll give my two cents anyway (I like the sound of my own voice… Or I guess the look of my own text in this case)
Why would I want your post deleted
You came off a bit adversarial in the first comment. I would believe you meant to come off as curious, but unfortunately text doesn’t translate tone well.
Why would you do it if I wanted you to
Human decency. You could also block them, but that’s your perogative.
But yeah please explain how you’re enslaved
The US government does a lot of work to make sure slavery stays legal, they just don’t use that word. Private prisons are the most obvious example of this, but they’re also stripping freedoms and rights from individuals who have never been incarcerated. They make a show every now and then to make it seem like that that’s not what they’re doing, but if you really take a look at the policies that are getting pushed right now and have been pushed in the last few years, you’ll see it.
I can’t remember which state it is, but at least one of them are trying to pseudo-reinstate Jim Crow laws or whatever it’s called when they restrict voting. Married women, older people and the disabled are being intentionally pushed away from polls by making the ID requirements stricter. And that’s one of the tamest examples I’ve seen lately
imo all empires are built over the hunched, broken backs of many, many slaves. With any luck it might be robots in the future, i guess.
russia has ditched the “empire” from the name, doesn’t mean they’ve stopped trying to be one. By that logic, DPRK is a democratic republic because it’s in the name. You can name countries literally anything.
Is joke.
