You literally can just long press the normal hyphen on the iOS keyboard, probably similar in Android
So, you saw an em dash in a sentence and immediately screamed “AI!”? Hold up. That long, dramatic line — yeah, that one — has been around way before ChatGPT slid into your DMs. Writers have been using em dashes for centuries to spice things up, create vibes, and break the rules in the coolest way possible.
Here’s the tea: the em dash is a tool, not a tell. Just because an AI uses it doesn’t mean it’s some secret signature. You know who else uses em dashes? Literally every author who’s ever wanted to sound clever, casual, or just a little chaotic.
So next time you spot an em dash, don’t panic. It’s punctuation, not a personality test.
it’d be a funny bit if op used ai to write this
Everything under the line was chat gpt, everything above was chat gp me
lol i stumbled into the truth like inspector closeau!
i was 90% sure 😭
I swear he did
as a frequent user of the em dash I find this whole AI tell thing distressing
Reminds me of this:
19·15 days agoAs an infrequent user of it, same.
I got a bit angry yesterday, when someone said (in the thread this is a continuation of): no human being uses em-dash.
Saying only AI uses these is dehumanizing.
I guess that I am autistic plays a role in me finding it really bad.
real writers use the hyphen - like this - instead because they can’t be bothered to type an actual em dash and they’ve long since disabled any form of auto correct on any program they type into.
Yeah, the differing use-cases for the various dashes just seems like an anachronism that’s already basically faded away. Like the use of double-spaces, which is just an old typewriter thing… or QWERTY itself, but that’s a pain to overcome.
real writers use the hyphen - like this - instead because they can’t be bothered to type an actual em dash
I think you defined lazy writers, not real writers.
lazy is real, at least until they train the ais to intentionally not capitalize letters and stuff like that
This sounds like something an AI would write
Sure does
My autistic ass taking notes on how not to sound like AI when I write shit.
Finally ⸻ the 3-em dash will have its moment
Mmm
Fun fact, the em dash is also the standard punctuation for dialogues in books written in Portuguese, like:
“How are you?”
“Not very well,” she answered.
— Como você está?
— Não muito bem — respondeu ela.
The quotation dash is also used in a number of other languages, I mainly see it in Norwegian-language news articles. You’ll also find it in some older English-language works like Ulysses.
Sorry to have to tell you this, but Portugal was created by AI.
Funny how it used to be a shibboleth for lawyers and now it’s a tell for AI. Em dashes are very useful punctuation marks though — being able to chain sentences together for longer than intended is very helpful for writing without thinking — what I do — or just being generally chaotic in writing.
just being generally chaotic in writing
ADHD thoughts within thoughts. Instead of using two layers of parentheses, substituting one for dashes.
and then you want to close it with a smiley (or is it emoticon (I never really used that term even back in the day … and today everyone just calls them emojis :))) and it looks like a triple chin
Lawyers 🤝 English majors
—Objection!
I love using colons in a rare sort of way: like this. Like, the colon is followed by something that builds upon the first part, or some sort of comment on it or whatever: I love writing like one of those famous old authors whose writing styles are fucking weird. Like the author of Trainspotting: I’d be a great writer if I could write something meatier than a Mastodon post.
I also love reading oldish writing, like pre-20th century where the rules were far looser.
We take it for granted, but mathematics also used to be quite loosey-goosey until it was formalized by David Hilbert in the 1920s. Dude was an absolute legend, I mean just look at him:
I was always really bad at math, because of the way it was taught to me and idk how to explain further.
I just abuse commas
The anti-ai hysteria on the site is getting a little silly, and I’m by no means an ai advocate.
I don’t care - stop using long dashes. It’s a useless character and the less you use it the easier it is to discern AI slop without even having to think. It’ll only be a year or two before ChatGPT stops using it, so don’t undermine a very cool and assuredly temporary useful discernment tool.
A normal length dash does everything you want. You know why nobody knows em-dash existed before? Because nobody ever noticed you using it and everyone reads it as a normal dash.
You can have your em-dash back in a couple years.
W—R—O—N—G
I like these normal length dashes you used
When I see the short dash like in your text it doesn’t read as a long pause to me but almost like you’re combining care-stop, it doesn’t have the same effect as –. I’ve seen them used in articles plenty before the rise of GPT text. I’m not sure it is necessarily a reliable tell for AI.
it doesn’t have the same effect as –
Not sure if you’re trolling, but that is an en dash, the middle child of the dashes. Used specifically for indicating ranges. E.g. year 1900–1902, numbers 0–9. The meaning is different from the slightly longer em dash
Ah thanks, I’m on mobile, I wasn’t sure which was the —em— on my keyboard, I don’t use any of these highfalutin text lines normally
It’s really not. The emdash also auto changes in word if you use a - then type something.
Since I’ve started writing in markdown I have to do double-- to auto complete into emdash, but in word it’s coded in AFAIK
Hyphens read completely differently IMO
I need an excuse to use my compose key
I see it used in books pretty often, presumably because the text editors used for those have autocorrects for special characters like that and the ellipses character.
I was taught all the dashes in school along with all the other punctuation. Didn’t realize this was arcane knowledge. I also see them in books and other edited literature all the time. It is not obscure at all
also conspicuously hidden hands in an image doesn’t mean it’s ai generated
hands are hard to draw ;_;Usually conspicuously hidden hands indicate the opposite, the AI will have badly drawn hands front and center.
Em persecution has to end
Making people scared to type like they normally do to own the AI.
Yeah, but I do most of my long form writing on a keyboard, and I couldn’t tell you how to type an em dash using a standard keyboard. I just googled it, “press and hold the Alt key while typing 0151 on the numeric keypad, and then release the Alt key”, which doesn’t seem to work. The fastest way I can find on a Windows 10+ PC is to hold
win+.then use the mouse to click the symbols tab, then select —, which is not efficient and not obvious.Yeah, On the phone it’s easy, but I because it has never been readily accessible as a standard key on the keyboard, I have no idea when I would even use it. So I just googled that as well.
I think the EM dash is a good indication that someone has been writing something in a proper word processor like Word or some other document tool. Word at least has a way for you to configure a shortcut key for the symbol. Which, in turn makes it also as likely that the text was produced by a LLM trained on oceans of text containing em dashes.
I could use something like Autohotkey to do replace a triple dash (—) with an em dash, and a double dash (–) with an en dash, but no one else is going to think to do something like that.
If someone is using an em dash casually, it’s just suspicious because it really isn’t that easy to access and I don’t believe (outside professional writers) that most people even know why they would use them.
on linux it’s compose key then three hyphens
on mac it’s shift + option + one hyphenlike this —
Common Windows L.
In high school, an English teacher once told us she over used em dashes and her teacher told her you can’t just dash through your papers. I tried to avoid their over use after that, which made me learn the other ways to organize my (chaotic) thoughts.
Needless to say, I think that it’s a tell of young writers more than AI. The overuse is because the author isn’t comfortable with using colons, parenthesis, or commas - the things that the em dash can substitute for grammatically.
A good writer understands offsetting with a dash adds more emphasis than commas (neutral) or parenthesis (lower emphasis). Overuse is a sign of either immaturity or AI. Since there’s a lot of immature writers on the internet (and have been since the eternal summer began), it really isn’t useful as a tell online.
