I feel like this is one of those conversations you make up in your head and it’s kinda cringe to write it down.
Actually it is a regular thing among the asshole “manosphere” crowd (i.e. the pathetic fucking losersphere).
You’ve had this conversation?
These comics are great if you are… Probably just a normal person who thinks that the act of creating anything deserves praise.
But if you start comparing it to the best comics… it’s just some lady who uses it as a blog.
comparing it to the best comics
Indeed, it’s not The Family Circus nor The Lockhorns…
I don’t know why political comics are so annoying. It’s like even if I agree with the creator’s political views, I still don’t find them funny.
Political memes are usually funny, though. You’d think it would be the other way around, because comics take more effort to make.
One, who was comparing it to “the best comics”?..And two, what does that have to do with the subject matter?
I’m pretty real sure nobody was comparing themselves as superior to Charles Schultz or Gary Trudeau
Wow, some folks need to remember that online life isn’t real life…
Please, go touch some grass before you scare some normie by talking about your favorite/most-hated web comic.
pizzacakecomics has actually accurately portrayed the way men are treated before:
You think the treatment of men by women is bad? Wait till your whole family dies, and then other men tell you to suck it up.
Is this genuine and unaltered? I’d have assumed it was an edit.
Yep, I think the comic was called talk. Here’s another unedited pizzacake slide that shows how women act towards men who’ve done nothing wrong. This one is extra credit because, to her audience, the guy in this is the villain:
As someone who used to be a guy… this hits
Why does her actually interesting work never get posted here?
Truthfully she doesn’t have a lot of interesting comics, most of it is very mediocre.
Crazy how many folks can’t scroll past something they aren’t interested in. And not thoughtful critiques. Just whining really. Their delicate eyes witnessed it, thus they were compelled to come make a comment.
I don’t think I’d ever find it appropriate to whine in the comments of a user’s post, over a post breaking no rules. I have, and would… just scroll by.
I don’t see “No Pizza Cake” in the rules… why would someone think it would just never show up?
I think it’s basically internet law at this point, if Pizzacake is posted, cranky men must make it known that they find her (and her comics) cRinGe and mEdiOcRe and also she’s a mAnHaTer (dontchaknow).
And yet they subscribe to her OF
This comic is neither funny nor thoughtful. I’d say it’s getting the critique it deserves.
i mean, the best punishment for bad art is lack of engagement.
I don’t think pizzacake is a troll (as in makes bad comics so it gets negative engagement), but here we are.
People complaining about her in the comments actually helps her.
if you don’t like it, just move along, don’t give hold her in your head like that zen story about crossing the river with a girl.
I’ll be honest, I kinda wanted lemmy to not have the same mentality as the audience of r/comics who just straight up hate all men. But it looks like these comments are kind of a warzone. I wonder if the mods from that sub have any power here? They defend her from even polite and constructive criticism.
And not thoughtful critiques. Just whining really
So just scroll past it if you don’t like it?
Feeling called out?
Are you? I haven’t whined on this post, so that’s a weird accusation to make. Methinks you’re projecting, sorry your delicate eyes witnessed an opinion you don’t like.
Who is pizzacake and why do so many commenters dislike them?
She’s very reddit
Probably misogyny.
From the comments, it seems the artist herself isn’t well liked.
From knowing nothing about the artist, but having seen a huge bulk of these comics: Maybe they’re incels. 🤷🏻♂️ These do tend to be about toxic masculinity and just bad male behavior in general. It’s like seeing a Republican hating someone because that someone they hate calls out Republican bullshit. Considering the vagueness of the hate expressed in the thread, I am leaning toward this being the actual case.
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Or maybe because she threatened illegitimate DMCA take downs of parodies on r/bonehurtingjuice resulting in mass censorship of any criticism of the fact that one of her comics was insensitive to victims of male sexual assault.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bonehurtingjuice/comments/1ggn4a6/pizzacake_posts_are_now_banned/
Yeah… Based on all the relevant info and links there, I definitely don’t think the hate is actually based on “illegitimate DMCA” takedown requests.
Yeah, no. A male SA survivor expressed sincere perspective, claiming the original comic insensitive. It was the top comment before it was removed with many other responses. Just read the posts linked in the comment below the one I shared. It’s not incel garbage (mostly), she’s an intolerable Karen. She’s got the mods censoring that sub, it’s one of the reasons I left reddit. (I’ve been banned multiple times for expressing these facts.) They ban people for being critical. I think hating her for being unfunny or having an only fans is dumb. On the other hand, hating on her for being an unapologetic asshole is fine. She’s earned it.
Edit: just read the convo
https://www.reddit.com/r/bonehurtingjuice/comments/1ggn4a6/comment/lurmced/
Don’t they lock your ability to make new accounts when you get banned
They reversed my ban from the comics sub after appealing.
It’s still extremely problematic that this being painted as incels vs pizza. She has had bad takes on free health care, male survivors, and equating all criticism to misogynistic haters. She doubles down and never argues in good faith.
I really like BHJ. It’s fun and chill. She just didn’t like that people were being critical of her takes. The mods were actively removing hateful content and responses. They expressed willingness to help remove any offending content.
Now, you can’t even mention her name on the sub without threat of ban. It’s ridiculous that she’d try DMCA against something so clearly fair use. Weaponizing it like that isn’t even legal. The mods couldn’t be bothered to fight it though.
I politically agree with her mostly and find some of her comics sincerely funny, but she’s still being a dick.
literally reads the thing they linked and still doesn’t agree with them
“Bro just read it until you agree with me.”
Just read it again, but harder. Then you’ll agree!
“It’s about journalism, dammit!”
I have no idea what their deal is but one comic sure did cause a lot of butthurt.
Being a misogynist overbearing male asshole makes one unfuckable. They are the probably bitter about having that obvious truth pointed out to their dumb asses.
For real. Their ideaology is so twisted. They think that in order to attract women, they should be a what a man’s idea of an attractive man is. And instead, being what a woman would find attractive is somehow… gay? Like, I just don’t get it, like there’s a very fundamental misunderstanding of what it is they are trying to do. Very square peg in a round hole situation.
The art is incredibly bland, the points they make are very surface level, and the artist is an awful person.
So many people think they’re owning the libs or whatever by posting them.
#BINGO!
I’m happy to be honest, I agree with some of these (obv not the bitch slut or nazi ones). You need another square pointing out how the r/comics mods defend her to a kind of insane level, and definitely give her preferential treatment over other comic artists.
as you can see I drew myself as the Chad and you as the soyjack, so I win
Legitimate criticism of someone isn’t incel behaviour bruh
Don’t know the artist besides what hits the front page here
Isn’t it kind of fucking awesome that douchebags are getting owned?
You forgot her threatening to sue a subreddit for critizing and making fun of her comics. There’s a reason why some people don’t want her comics here, and that’s because she’s toxic as fuck
Yeah, but to be fair, the threads linked here from r/BHJ are Chernobyl-level toxic, and they seem to think they’re the victims.
Weird how people get so parasocially attached to others, to the point of whiite knighting
I’ve honestly never encountered this artist and don’t know any of the drama around them.
Can I say her art style sucks just to win the prize for a bingo though?
the prize is more bingo.
I think I saw three of them in the comments already!
Seriously – my wife takes 0% of my bullshit, and that’s such a great quality. Just sayin’.
My wife tolerates a little of my bullshit. But that tolerance may be because she can’t tell if I’m just being weird or not. And she knew I was different when she was dating me and yet she still married me.
It’s such a stupid satire by a sad person who can’t address valid criticism and who feel that their only recourse is to make up a fantasy.
Staw man/Fantasy: Guy telling a random woman on the street, who happens to be married, “I wouldn’t even date you”. The strong and independent woman answers with sarcasm.
Reality: The woman is a single mother with 10+ past partners who has failed to secure a good father for her child. She puts herself online and gets scrutinized and criticized.
This is not a defense of particular internet personalities, who may or may not deserve criticism on their own. Rather, it’s to point out that these comics are stupid, and don’t address valid criticism that’s out there that need to be addressed properly.
Next, you’re going to tell me that a snail doing cocaine isn’t realistic?
No, no, shh, I want to believe.
You’ve never seen the “I wouldn’t even date you” negging, where adult-aged boys try to trick women into pleading their case to the kid?
I think I go to the bar 2 or 3 times a year, and I’ve seen it several times. I’m glad that doesn’t seem to be as much of a thing in the gay community, at least that I’ve seen.
It depends on who the male character in the comic is supposed to be. If it’s in that setting, then yeah I can imagine it happening.
I was thinking about MGTOWs and internet personalities who use words like “high value male/female”, and my interpretation of this comic is that this is supposed to be satire of them. If that’s what the comic artist was going for then, I believe my criticism is deserved.
If it’s referencing immature men saying “I wouldn’t even date you” to women they actually find attractive, well, I haven’t seen it myself but I can imagine it happening. That’s however not what I was thinking about addressing this comic.
The comic is a bit ambiguous about what it’s talking about specifically.
Staw man/Fantasy: Guy telling a random woman on the street, who happens to be married, “I wouldn’t even date you”. The strong and independent woman answers with sarcasm.
This is one of the most prominent parts of manosphere ideology, and they are not quiet about it or shy about sharing it. We used to call it “negging”. This comic is pointing out the absurdity of toxic men thinking they are too good for most women.
Reality: The woman is a single mother with 10+ past partners who has failed to secure a good father for her child.
I have no idea what the reality is for this cartoonist, nor do I care, but you’ve managed to make three misogynistic value judgments in one short sentence, which is kind of impressive in a sad and pathetic way. First, there’s nothing inherently wrong with being a single mother. Second, a woman’s worth is not determined by the number of past partners she’s had, a standard which is never applied to men. Third, securing a good father for her child is not the be-all-end-all goal of a single mother. Raising her child(ren) is. This can be done with or without a man involved.
This is not a defense of particular internet personalities, who may or may not deserve criticism on their own.
Maybe not, but it sure comes off as an endorsement of their values.
Rather, it’s to point out that these comics are stupid, and don’t address valid criticism that’s out there that need to be addressed properly.
So a comic strip didn’t address sexism in the specific way that you approve of, and you think the proper response is to degrade the cartoonist as a whorish single mother who can’t find a good man?
Dude. You are the guy in the comic.
First, there’s nothing inherently wrong with being a single mother.
Single motherhood is not easy, and I have sympathy for any woman who has become a single mother with no power of her own. The critique is not aimed at single motherhood, but rather at women who make (selfish) decisions in life that leaves the children without a father. It cannot be understated how damaging that can be for her children.
One reason why I said that certain internet personalities deserve criticism on their own is that they advocate for men engaging in promiscuity and cause the same problems that these personalities claim they dislike.
Second, a woman’s worth is not determined by the number of past partners she’s had, a standard which is never applied to men.
Yes, it’s a factor that men will judge a woman by. It makes sense, because a more extensive past will more likely affect a future relationship.
Men should be held to a higher standard as well, I don’t disagree with that.
Third, securing a good father for her child is not the be-all-end-all goal of a single mother. Raising her child(ren) is. This can be done with or without a man involved.
It has been shown that children who are raised with a single parent fare worse than with both parents. It’s clear that single motherhood is not something to be desired, neither for the children nor the mothers themselves. Many single mothers are complaining, on the internet about this, so it’s strange that you are trying to defend them by claiming that there is no issue to complain about…
So a comic strip didn’t address sexism in the specific way that you approve of, and you think the proper response is to degrade the cartoonist as a whorish single mother who can’t find a good man?
I wasn’t talking about the cartoonist. I was talking about the made up characters that supposedly reflect reality. When someone sees this comic, it’s most likely that they don’t think about who drew it. They will likely see the comic in isolation from the artist, just like I did.
It has been shown that children who are raised with a single parent fare worse than with both parents.
But whom? Where?
Just, eww!! Fucking eeewww!! 🤮
Sorry for the unfamiliar opinions. Do you need me to call a doctor?
Yeah, uh no, not unfamiliar. See the above comic. You are in it and it’s got your panties all in a twist apparently.
People who need some professional assistance will do that shit you’re talking about.
I was emoting how sick you make me feel, when one of you randomly creeps up. And especially when you think anyone cares about your weird ideals, for any gender.
I think the problem is that you think I’m arguing in bad faith, and I’m not. Nor is anything that I said that controversial.
No offense, but I think you really need to touch some grass.
Oh my. Well since I only get on here periodically, I think YOU should get your Very Own Personal Tag!
Then, if you’re still around after I unblock you, I’ll get to see your fancy lil tag if you shownup, and remember how sensitive you got over a comic. That you coulda’ just ignored ffs.
Stop. Get some help.
Take your own advice, kiddo.
Oh great…the 4channers are here…
Wrong. Try again.
You’d have made a valid point if you stopped half way through.
You are free to disagree, but I don’t feel I would have been able to complete my point without the second half.
Thanks, saved me having to write that. There is a lot of valid criticism women can level against “the modern man”, depending on the culture they live in. But this is not it. I have never heard of a guy claiming to be of higher status and cussing off a woman who rejected him. Maybe we sometimes think we’re higher status than a woman or whatever, but then again we do that with other men too. It’s a human thing, not a gender thing. Women most definitely categorize men into lower and higher strata subconsciously too, if nothing else.
“I, as a man, have never encountered this scenario myself. Therefore, it is completely made up and reason to be further misogynistic.” Is all I saw there brother.
You’re probably in good company then, but should still strive to do a lot better.
I’m glad to hear from someone else who is seeing what I’m seeing.
The sarcastic strong and independent woman vs a stupid man meme has nothing to do with reality whatsoever. The worst part is that it’s masking some serious issues society is dealing with.
What kind of narcissistic fuck refers to himself as “high value man”
Leon Musk, for example.
A manosphere twat, that’s who.
I’ve seen it in screenshots people have taken of posts from various “man-o-sphere” influencers on places like Twitter. Obviously the problem with them saying it is that none of the guys referring to themselves as such are actually worth knowing, let alone dating.
Let me guess, someone who’s such an egregious self-important A-hole that they are unfuckable? But I’m just guessing.
I still have both kidneys, so I’d say I’m pretty “high-value”
I still have both kidneys
So, if a date says you’re “potentially a great match”, clarify “organ donor or personality match”, okay?
It’s taking the piss out of Andrew Tate and the gullible guys that he’s convinced are superior to women.
From all the trending news articles, ten year old boys who got access to tik tok
it’s definitely not just the ten year olds that think this shit.
Mentally, they’re all still ten-year-olds.
Yeah, shittiest shit stains figured out they could blast on Tik Tok. And Tik Tok sees no problem inserting these videos between “why do we use cinnamon on everything” and “why is the sky blue”
iirc, doesn’t china explicitly not allow such shit on their version of tiktok? so it’s just letting america cut their own throat basically?
Just trying to get em while they’re young.
Same vibes when guys call themselves kings, or girls call themselves queens.
Narcissus was always trying to dodge annoying suitors, so I don’t think he’d want to call himself high value in that context.
Gestures wildly at the men, many in positions of power, around the world, who very obviously would do that.
The kind made of straw
🌝 in this meme I portray myself as the chad and you as the wojak
Damn this comic has L A Y E R S
I’m only reading one layer. What are others?
She’s probably not even married, among others, but is still playing into the prescribed gender role to troll the masc even harder. OR, she is married, but probably her relationship has some elements that are still considered “niche” or “deviant” by society at large. Or, maybe NONE of that is true, either, which is yet another layer relating to assumptions people make based on the behavior and self-expression of others
The fox has many clever tricks, but the hedgehog has one big trick.
a misogyny onion
Whats the joke here?
The green lady thinks “who’d pay for her nudes?” means “I won’t date you”
The fuck are you on about?
I didn’t mean to attract incels with my comment
Probably about PCC author having an onlyfans
Huh? I dont care who made the comic im just wondering what the actual punchline is.
Some men think women care about “value” of people when dating but instead women are either not looking for a relationship or not as objectifying as these men
The punchline is that women now use this dumb “value” idea to filter out who to even associate with in the first place, by just avoiding any guy who mentions this shit
I guess i just don’t like these type of comics. It’s akin to someone posting “Haterz r my motivatorz!” on facebook circa 2011
I really hate their comics. Never anything original.
I really hate scrolling through comments to find ones like this. Never adds to the conversation.
How does someone going against the popular opinion not add to the conversation??
You really didn’t see what I was doing there, huh?
You’re right, they did add something to the conversation. And what they added was a low effort post that did nothing other than waste electricity.
Blocking this community for pizzacake spam lately
This ain’t an airport, we don’t care about your departure.
Cool story bro
I just went through the last 10 days of posts in the community. This is the only PC one that shows up in that time frame. Other artists have multipes in that time. So, less than once a week… guess there are different ideas of what is spam.
Any normal human would go, “Whatever” and move on.
But not this person. They wanted to let people know that they have been visually assaulted, made up a story about seeing it too much, and then even says “I’m blocking you!”
