Wow, some folks need to remember that online life isn’t real life…
Please, go touch some grass before you scare some normie by talking about your favorite/most-hated web comic.
pizzacakecomics has actually accurately portrayed the way men are treated before:
Is this genuine and unaltered? I’d have assumed it was an edit.
Yep, I think the comic was called talk. Here’s another unedited pizzacake slide that shows how women act towards men who’ve done nothing wrong. This one is extra credit because, to her audience, the guy in this is the villain:
Crazy how many folks can’t scroll past something they aren’t interested in. And not thoughtful critiques. Just whining really. Their delicate eyes witnessed it, thus they were compelled to come make a comment.
I don’t think I’d ever find it appropriate to whine in the comments of a user’s post, over a post breaking no rules. I have, and would… just scroll by.
I don’t see “No Pizza Cake” in the rules… why would someone think it would just never show up?
i mean, the best punishment for bad art is lack of engagement.
I don’t think pizzacake is a troll (as in makes bad comics so it gets negative engagement), but here we are.
People complaining about her in the comments actually helps her.
if you don’t like it, just move along, don’t give hold her in your head like that zen story about crossing the river with a girl.
I’ll be honest, I kinda wanted lemmy to not have the same mentality as the audience of r/comics who just straight up hate all men. But it looks like these comments are kind of a warzone. I wonder if the mods from that sub have any power here? They defend her from even polite and constructive criticism.
#BINGO!
I’m happy to be honest, I agree with some of these (obv not the bitch slut or nazi ones). You need another square pointing out how the r/comics mods defend her to a kind of insane level, and definitely give her preferential treatment over other comic artists.
Don’t know the artist besides what hits the front page here
Isn’t it kind of fucking awesome that douchebags are getting owned?
I think I saw three of them in the comments already!
You forgot her threatening to sue a subreddit for critizing and making fun of her comics. There’s a reason why some people don’t want her comics here, and that’s because she’s toxic as fuck
I’ve honestly never encountered this artist and don’t know any of the drama around them.
Can I say her art style sucks just to win the prize for a bingo though?
Who is pizzacake and why do so many commenters dislike them?
From the comments, it seems the artist herself isn’t well liked.
From knowing nothing about the artist, but having seen a huge bulk of these comics: Maybe they’re incels. 🤷🏻♂️ These do tend to be about toxic masculinity and just bad male behavior in general. It’s like seeing a Republican hating someone because that someone they hate calls out Republican bullshit. Considering the vagueness of the hate expressed in the thread, I am leaning toward this being the actual case.
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Or maybe because she threatened illegitimate DMCA take downs of parodies on r/bonehurtingjuice resulting in mass censorship of any criticism of the fact that one of her comics was insensitive to victims of male sexual assault.
https://www.reddit.com/r/bonehurtingjuice/comments/1ggn4a6/pizzacake_posts_are_now_banned/
Yeah… Based on all the relevant info and links there, I definitely don’t think the hate is actually based on “illegitimate DMCA” takedown requests.
Yeah, no. A male SA survivor expressed sincere perspective, claiming the original comic insensitive. It was the top comment before it was removed with many other responses. Just read the posts linked in the comment below the one I shared. It’s not incel garbage (mostly), she’s an intolerable Karen. She’s got the mods censoring that sub, it’s one of the reasons I left reddit. (I’ve been banned multiple times for expressing these facts.) They ban people for being critical. I think hating her for being unfunny or having an only fans is dumb. On the other hand, hating on her for being an unapologetic asshole is fine. She’s earned it.
Edit: just read the convo
https://www.reddit.com/r/bonehurtingjuice/comments/1ggn4a6/comment/lurmced/
literally reads the thing they linked and still doesn’t agree with them
“Bro just read it until you agree with me.”
Just read it again, but harder. Then you’ll agree!
“It’s about journalism, dammit!”
I have no idea what their deal is but one comic sure did cause a lot of butthurt.
Being a misogynist overbearing male asshole makes one unfuckable. They are the probably bitter about having that obvious truth pointed out to their dumb asses.
For real. Their ideaology is so twisted. They think that in order to attract women, they should be a what a man’s idea of an attractive man is. And instead, being what a woman would find attractive is somehow… gay? Like, I just don’t get it, like there’s a very fundamental misunderstanding of what it is they are trying to do. Very square peg in a round hole situation.
The art is incredibly bland, the points they make are very surface level, and the artist is an awful person.
So many people think they’re owning the libs or whatever by posting them.
It’s such a stupid satire by a sad person who can’t address valid criticism and who feel that their only recourse is to make up a fantasy.
Staw man/Fantasy: Guy telling a random woman on the street, who happens to be married, “I wouldn’t even date you”. The strong and independent woman answers with sarcasm.
Reality: The woman is a single mother with 10+ past partners who has failed to secure a good father for her child. She puts herself online and gets scrutinized and criticized.
This is not a defense of particular internet personalities, who may or may not deserve criticism on their own. Rather, it’s to point out that these comics are stupid, and don’t address valid criticism that’s out there that need to be addressed properly.
Thanks, saved me having to write that. There is a lot of valid criticism women can level against “the modern man”, depending on the culture they live in. But this is not it. I have never heard of a guy claiming to be of higher status and cussing off a woman who rejected him. Maybe we sometimes think we’re higher status than a woman or whatever, but then again we do that with other men too. It’s a human thing, not a gender thing. Women most definitely categorize men into lower and higher strata subconsciously too, if nothing else.
I’m glad to hear from someone else who is seeing what I’m seeing.
The sarcastic strong and independent woman vs a stupid man meme has nothing to do with reality whatsoever. The worst part is that it’s masking some serious issues society is dealing with.
Staw man/Fantasy: Guy telling a random woman on the street, who happens to be married, “I wouldn’t even date you”. The strong and independent woman answers with sarcasm.
This is one of the most prominent parts of manosphere ideology, and they are not quiet about it or shy about sharing it. We used to call it “negging”. This comic is pointing out the absurdity of toxic men thinking they are too good for most women.
Reality: The woman is a single mother with 10+ past partners who has failed to secure a good father for her child.
I have no idea what the reality is for this cartoonist, nor do I care, but you’ve managed to make three misogynistic value judgments in one short sentence, which is kind of impressive in a sad and pathetic way. First, there’s nothing inherently wrong with being a single mother. Second, a woman’s worth is not determined by the number of past partners she’s had, a standard which is never applied to men. Third, securing a good father for her child is not the be-all-end-all goal of a single mother. Raising her child(ren) is. This can be done with or without a man involved.
This is not a defense of particular internet personalities, who may or may not deserve criticism on their own.
Maybe not, but it sure comes off as an endorsement of their values.
Rather, it’s to point out that these comics are stupid, and don’t address valid criticism that’s out there that need to be addressed properly.
So a comic strip didn’t address sexism in the specific way that you approve of, and you think the proper response is to degrade the cartoonist as a whorish single mother who can’t find a good man?
Dude. You are the guy in the comic.
Oh great…the 4channers are here…
Wrong. Try again.
You’d have made a valid point if you stopped half way through.
Seriously – my wife takes 0% of my bullshit, and that’s such a great quality. Just sayin’.
My wife tolerates a little of my bullshit. But that tolerance may be because she can’t tell if I’m just being weird or not. And she knew I was different when she was dating me and yet she still married me.
🌝 in this meme I portray myself as the chad and you as the wojak
What kind of narcissistic fuck refers to himself as “high value man”
I’ve seen it in screenshots people have taken of posts from various “man-o-sphere” influencers on places like Twitter. Obviously the problem with them saying it is that none of the guys referring to themselves as such are actually worth knowing, let alone dating.
Let me guess, someone who’s such an egregious self-important A-hole that they are unfuckable? But I’m just guessing.
Narcissus was always trying to dodge annoying suitors, so I don’t think he’d want to call himself high value in that context.
I still have both kidneys, so I’d say I’m pretty “high-value”
I still have both kidneys
So, if a date says you’re “potentially a great match”, clarify “organ donor or personality match”, okay?
Same vibes when guys call themselves kings, or girls call themselves queens.
It’s taking the piss out of Andrew Tate and the gullible guys that he’s convinced are superior to women.
From all the trending news articles, ten year old boys who got access to tik tok
it’s definitely not just the ten year olds that think this shit.
Mentally, they’re all still ten-year-olds.
Yeah, shittiest shit stains figured out they could blast on Tik Tok. And Tik Tok sees no problem inserting these videos between “why do we use cinnamon on everything” and “why is the sky blue”
iirc, doesn’t china explicitly not allow such shit on their version of tiktok? so it’s just letting america cut their own throat basically?
Just trying to get em while they’re young.
Gestures wildly at the men, many in positions of power, around the world, who very obviously would do that.
The kind made of straw
Damn this comic has L A Y E R S
The fox has many clever tricks, but the hedgehog has one big trick.
I’m only reading one layer. What are others?
She’s probably not even married, among others, but is still playing into the prescribed gender role to troll the masc even harder. OR, she is married, but probably her relationship has some elements that are still considered “niche” or “deviant” by society at large. Or, maybe NONE of that is true, either, which is yet another layer relating to assumptions people make based on the behavior and self-expression of others
a misogyny onion
Whats the joke here?
The green lady thinks “who’d pay for her nudes?” means “I won’t date you”
The fuck are you on about?
I didn’t mean to attract incels with my comment
Probably about PCC author having an onlyfans
Huh? I dont care who made the comic im just wondering what the actual punchline is.
Some men think women care about “value” of people when dating but instead women are either not looking for a relationship or not as objectifying as these men
The punchline is that women now use this dumb “value” idea to filter out who to even associate with in the first place, by just avoiding any guy who mentions this shit
I guess i just don’t like these type of comics. It’s akin to someone posting “Haterz r my motivatorz!” on facebook circa 2011
I really hate their comics. Never anything original.
I really hate scrolling through comments to find ones like this. Never adds to the conversation.
How does someone going against the popular opinion not add to the conversation??
You’re right, they did add something to the conversation. And what they added was a low effort post that did nothing other than waste electricity.
Blocking this community for pizzacake spam lately
This ain’t an airport, we don’t care about your departure.
Cool story bro
I just went through the last 10 days of posts in the community. This is the only PC one that shows up in that time frame. Other artists have multipes in that time. So, less than once a week… guess there are different ideas of what is spam.
Any normal human would go, “Whatever” and move on.
But not this person. They wanted to let people know that they have been visually assaulted, made up a story about seeing it too much, and then even says “I’m blocking you!”
Today in things that never happened:
Or maybe it would happen in the US. I wouldn’t be surprised anymore.
You know this is a comic, not a news article, right?
Yeah? The comic is making a statement, no?
Either you never seen the comment section of any post ever, or you the dude who makes these kind of comments.
Yes, because comment sections on Lemmy/Reddit/Social Media are a good metric for what happens AFK. We saw that when Lemmy/Reddit perfectly predicted the crushing loss of Donald Trump.
Oh wait…
I’d suggest going out more and hanging out with real people.
You’re not from US, but somehow you know what hanging out with real people is like here?
We saw that when Lemmy/Reddit perfectly predicted the crushing loss of Donald Trump.
As I recall Lemmy/Reddit was telling people how important it was to vote, because Trump wasn’t guaranteed to lose, and if he wins he’s going to become a dictator.
Seems pretty accurate to me.
But you seem to have a pattern of not actually listening to what people are saying so I’m not surprised you got that wrong.
I think they’re referring to the online experience. Every single post about some “woman who does something intelligent / skillful”, with enough attention (and it doesn’t take much!), will contain guys being absolute shits.
Seems like the confusion can be attributed to assuming the discussion was limited to “being outside”.
Try asking any female friend if they can relate to this comic.
Try asking any female friend
Why don’t you also ask him to end world hunger while you’re at it? He has equal chances at both.
I’ll ask my work colleagues in the union club. I’m sure perhaps my colleagues from Arabic countries might relate, but that’s about it.
Given everything, I’m guessing they don’t have any.
They’d need to interact with a woman on a personal level to be able to accomplish that.
This happens literally every day. lmao
Really? So people randomly approach you on the street and proclaim they’ll never date you?
Listen, just because nobody has ever seen you as attractive doesn’t mean that’s the experience most people have.
I think you got something a little backwards.
Just want to note this bloke took ten minutes to respond and this is the best they came up with.
Yes, because Lemmy is the most important thing in the world. I’ll reply in my own time. Not yours.
YES. Literally yes.
I’ve been approached by men who say I’m wearing too much makeup and that men don’t like that. That I should smile more if I want a boyfriend. That my clothes aren’t very flattering and it’s unattractive to him.
Like, for all your talk of “go outside” you don’t seem to know what life is like for women outside.
Not excusing ignorance but it is wild how different the experience of the average man or woman can be just existing in public. It makes sense to me that a man who is largely a basement dweller would have no first hand exposure to that sort of behavior.
You’re speaking for yourself, I presume?
Hearing a girlfriend express a lack of confidence because she wouldn’t get accosted kind of fucked me up. A moment of realization that the way the world is is so drastically different from the way I want to believe it is, I didn’t know where to start.
I try to build a habit of reacting to feeling upset with behavior by thinking up a situation that could lead me to act in the same way, but I really struggle to imagine what would make someone inclined to approach a stranger on the street with this kind of comment.
What country?
Mine? America. I even live in a very blue “progressive” area. But I have friends in the UK that have similar experinces. Frankly, why would that even matter? This sort of thing happens all over.
America. Typical. I would like you to come to Scandinavia, then. You might get a culture shock.
I mean. Okay? Maybe? But that’s not really the point?
I’m just trying to address how unrealistic you thought this comic was. But it is a accurate depiction of a regular experince for many women’s lives.
Honestly it seems like you’re just trying to “win” the discussion by correcting others. When women talk about the problems they face, it’s not helpful for you to go “That doesn’t happen”.
Same in Italy x 100.
I am not a women but if you go outside with them you will see it.
Any time a woman stands up for anything that a shitty man disagrees with they say the same shit. Every time.
This dog shit comic being spammed on *eddit was a good reason to leave that shithole
I’d suggest 4chan as a more suitable alternative buuuuut…
Lol. Dog shit comments like this being posted on reddit was a good reason to leave that shithole.
I’m not a fan of her comics, I just don’t find them very funny. But the level of unconstructive hate she gets is absurd. Just move on if you don’t like the comics. If you really dislike them, just block the user or community. It’s not hard. Grow up.
we don’t want you here
I guess you should just leave instead of posting shit comments.
Are you afraid spez is going to come to your house and lick your feet while you sleep if you say Reddit? Nothing more pathetic than self-censorship. Say the fucking word or pick another one.
It’s for wh€n you hat€ someth*ng so much that you treat it as a sluπ. If you don’t like it that’s fine but as people who dislike pizzacake should do move on or block it.
“Self-censorship” like when PCC author threatened to sue a subreddit for critizing her and making fun of her comics
Well something similar happened that haunts my childhood till this day.
You’re welcome to make your own comic if you think you can do better.
now now. that’s just a stupid stance to take. you don’t have to make media to be critical of it.
or do you have to make a podcast to say joe rogan’s slop is toxic, diseased, and damaging to society?
“This is a dog shit comic” is not a critique, though, is the thing. It’s just jerking off in public.
You’re right of course! But also there’s a big difference between real criticism and just saying something is “dogshit”. In fact you criticized Joe Rogan’s stuff properly, by drawing attention to the negative effects it has on people. We could go even further and pick out specific cases. (Though there’s no need to in this case, I agree with you.)
On the other hand, shitting on something with no reasoning just makes you a hater. I work with several comic artists professionally, and a common thing they ALL see is a nontrivial percentage of commenters who simply disparage everything. This is not because the content is inherently bad, but because all these trolls can do is destroy, not create.
there is no substantive difference between my comment about rogan and that guys comment about this comic. only your opinion is coloring how you take it.
you and every single person upvoting you are just lemmings wearing a different team’s jersey than the idiot lemming above.
if anything, we need more haters at this point, because y’all dumb af.
Them saying Joe Rogan’s podcast is “toxic, diseased, and damaging to society” is not better critique than the other poster calling this comic dog shit. Both are just statements that provide no argument or reasoning behind the statements. Sure they could back it up with examples why it is so, but so could the other commenter, which would make either of those comments valid criticism, but without they are equally good (or bad) criticism.
exactly.
I think it’s fine because we were operating on an implicit set of shared knowledge. Not every communication needs to be a research paper.
I have no understanding (implicit or explicit) of why the original commenter hated this comic, and clearly that’s the case for the vast majority of the voters here.
Providing 2-3 lines of explanatory context is hardly a research paper, but enough to illustrate reason behind a simple statement.
AFAIK, the author of this comic is somewhat of an asshat that exercises varying degree of censorship on a comic strip subreddit, based on their personal beliefs.
like i replied to the original comment that person is complaining about, she’s had some really dumb takes but is usually in the right ballpark. those dumb takes were also cases where she doubled down and yeah, that subreddit is basically a safespace for their superusers/content creators.
It’s just a cover for her… erm, alternative content.
I find that highly unlikely. It’s far more profitable to just do NSFW if that’s your goal.
If anything the NSFW posts are a way to monetize the actual thing she wants to draw, which are normal comics.
Exactly. The NSFW stuff came about from demand, not because she was pushing it. It ended up being very successful, so she kept doing it. It’s weird how angry people get that someone would post nudes.
So what? Are you such a prude that this insults you?
A woman being involved in anything NSFW is automatically labelled negatively among a certain sect of the population.
Which is such a shame because drawing a funny comic that has NSFW elements should be lauded.
Love oglaf.com
I don’t think simping for online personalities and influencers is particularly healthy, and it’s one of the last things I’d defend.
It ain’t about the porn, more the intent to sell porn behind the guise of a reddit comic.
Kinda like when SrGrafo was making loli art. (don’t make me post it)
It ain’t about the porn, more the intent to sell porn behind the guise of a reddit comic.
That’s strange, because I’m only aware of the porn because of you, not because of the comic.
You’re the one advertising Internet porn here.
The great thing about lemmy is that if you don’t like a post, there is another one under it.
I don’t see what’s dogshit about it. Maybe you just don’t like it?
Fits the current comic btw.
she’s had some real shitty opinions but she’s generally in the right ballpark.
I generally agree with her opinions, but there’s more to thinking a comic is good than pointing at it and going “wow i think that too.” They always just seem like super generic “relatable” jokes, and it’s crazy that they always get 50 billion upvotes.
low hanging fruit is low hanging fruit for a reason. it’s accessible.
Yeah, on this topic I feel like she’s in the ballpark. My girlfriend and I game in the same spaces but we don’t always announce that we are together IRL for privacy sake. And we are both very independent people.
The amount of weird dudes she’s ran into that have used “high value man” or “high value woman” is absolutely more than one. They’re pretty common to bump into in online spaces.
The last time she ran into a problem with a dude like this—she read me the chat as it was going down. The guy was clearly into her but couldn’t handle that she was taken and had no interest. So, this random dude proceeded to call me a cuck (hahaha), asked if I “knew what she was up to” (gaming? lol), and that no high value man would want her! He did this in a public gaming space too and about 50 people thankfully dog piled and ratioed him into oblivion.
Oh well! I guess she’s stuck with “her low value cuck man” who makes her coffee in bed every morning and with whom she raised a cute and healthy family with. She’s allowed to do whatever she wants and her male doesn’t even try to control her. How horrible! She’ll never recover!
These dudes are dangerous in numbers. Which is why they deserve and need to be mocked mercilessly until they fuck off or get therapy.
The only comic of hers that I’ve found morally objectionable was years ago now, and framed around complaining about her kids.
It had thousands of downvotes (on reddit) and all the comments were calling her out for being entierly responsible for her situation as a parent, and telling her to suck it up and step up because bitching out her kids like that was damaging them, unproductive and absolutely not funny.
Out of the thousands of comic panels of hers that I’ve seen, that’s really not a bad track record at all.
she also downplayed male rape a while back. and doubled down on it.
Ah, ok yeah I didn’t see that one. That changes things s bit.
Honestly, who didn’t?
Me, I’m always right
I don’t think this is the right place for you then either. Maybe try X or “Truth” Social?
Excuse you. Liking pizzacake is not a prerequisite to be a sane normal person.
IKR, that’s like the ultimate reddit opinion to have. 😂
It wasn’t the spam for me so much as criticism and parody of her work being banned. “I have drawn myself as the Chad and you as the soyjak” shtick gets old.
You sound decaffeinated.
Yeah, the virtue signaling is at an insane level, but the author never seems to take their own advice or take it well when anyone points out their blind spots.
