Antisemitism in this context meaning “criticism of Israel”
Yup. It is just another case of really bad hasbara
Hey, not all criticism of it is antisemitic!
Herzlians criticize it all the time for not exterminating enough Arabs.
far-left
[…] and at the same time be pro-hamas
I wish. In my experience talking with protestors; for around 95% of them (ML’s mostly being the exception), expressing the concept that brown people have a legitimate right to armed resistance directed at their occupiers is probably the most alien and offensive thing I can say. But then you have the most ideologically confused liberals getting angry and wanting to castigate and deport the tiny margin of people who are ideologically coherent down the line on these issues. It’s amazing these “far left” strawmen that libs erect in these
discussions are usually just better versions of themselves.edit: phrasing
pro indigenous, pro landlock […] untill those people are Jewish
Yes the Europeans are indigenous to Palestine
Seattleseahawksfan claims to be native Amedican and also a Zionist lmao
You should see the slur pass their gay black friend gave them.
I saw a post last year on that sub questioning the Jewish diaspora’s right to exist. The whole point of the Zionist colonial project is to destroy the Jewish diaspora. Conflating Zionism with Judaism when most Zionists aren’t even Jewish is a way for Zionists to cause further harm to the Jewish diaspora. The main stream media is probably going to pretend the genocide was entirely done by the Jews in effort to manufacture support to first deport Jews to “Israel” and then just start murdering them again. Weapons manufacturers are still making too much money by supporting the genocide.
I’ve always found it fascinating how many Israelis seem to have absolutely no love for their own religion or culture but use it as a shield to attack Muslims and whoever else in the crosshairs that week.
One of the more disgusting tendencies of human nature comes from tribalism. The ends are used to justify the means for tribalists
I find the phrase Jewish diaspora confusing. It assumes that there is a Jewish homeland (usually Israel) and as far as I’m aware we don’t use the similar phrases Christian diaspora or Muslim diaspora. It also assumes that all Jews view Israel as their homeland which is not true
I was always under the impression that the Jewish diaspora had more to do with the treatment of European Jews through history (read: really ducking bad). So it would be more that they had to keep moving as smaller units in order to avoid each new pogrom that came along
Honestly that’s what I assumed as well, but when I looked up the definition of diaspora I could only find definitions that refer to a homeland, and specifically for Jewish diaspora the homeland is always given as Israel (there’s a whole Wikipedia page about Jewish diaspora). But I wouldn’t be surprised if the definition of diaspora has changed over the years and that the connection to a homeland is relatively recent.
the connection to israel was always there, but until relatively recently it was essentially a myth. there was no chance some jew from a shtetl in poland would make it to israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'Shana_Haba'ah
the actual day to day reality that made the diaspora what it is is european antisemitism though. european jews were obviously european, but they were never allowed to feel at home in their countries. they were always treated as recent immigrants.
when jews started assimilating en-masse, the rest of europe responded with EVEN MORE antisemitism. (my personal theory is that assimilated jews scared european fathers because suddenly you couldnt tell who was jewish and who wasnt, and your daughter might end up dating a jew. the horror. it’s the “they’re taking our women” shit except against jews)
btw, european jews are STILL not allowed to feel at home in europe. eg, in hungary, in the popular consciousness, nobody counts the hundreds of thousands of hungarian jews liquidated in the holocaust as hungarians.
That’s a really great point. I used the term because it’s what was used most frequently when I was reading about it. But you are absolutely right. I will refrain from using that term in the future. I should probably have said Jewish people of the world.
I never much thought about that phrase before, but, yeah, now I can see what a loaded term it is.
Most Jews call theirselves a “diaspora” because they are not only a “religion” but an ethnoreligious folk, too. When they refer to theirselves as the “Jewish diaspora” they are referring to the majority of their people scattered all over the world from their spiritually ancestral (non-nationalistic and non-Zionist) land in Palestine.
Most viewed (and still view) Palestine as the Holy Land; the Almighty promised it to them after their exodus from misraim (Egypt). Eventually the Mashiah shall come by the Almighty’s orders and help them peacefully return to the Holy Land. This is why they call theirselves a “diaspora” (or “Galut” in Hebrew).
That’s interesting, thanks. Then the phrase must have gotten a second meaning after the creation of Israel which Israel and zionists probably love to exploit to imply that Israel does belong to and thus represents all Jews.
I mean the existence of Israel as it is goes against Judaism, that’s why lots of anti-Zionist rabbis say Zionism is a denomination of Judaism.
Anybody I ever hear say “politically homeless” ends up on the side of fash
[eyerolls in Norman Finkelstein]
someone who always identified as progressive
says the “far left” is anti-semitic
So they’re a rightist.
Progressive means essentially nothing and if they’re more focused on levying false accusations of hypocrisy toward an amorphous blob version of “the left” than doing something about genocide, well, it’s clear where they stand.
At this point, progressive means supporting the progress of a genocide
Okey-dokey, if you kiddos take antisemitism so seriously, how about you stop obsessing over us for a change and look at all of the antisemites who support your régime? How about you look at how it treats white supremacists better than Palestinian children? How about you look at how it neglected thousands of Jews dying at the hands of a neofascist régime in Argentina? How your régime intentionally massacred Jews on October 7, 2023? How it has massacred Jewish hostages? How it trains its Jewish soldiers so poorly? How its food insecurity and poverty rate are only increasing? How it consecrates a thinker who willingly associated with a Finance Minister who would have enacted his own Shoah if he could? Why the fuck would I write a post explaining why Zionism is unhealthy for Jews if I were so antisemitic…? Because I had nothing better to do…?
Luckily for you, I already have your response to every single one of these questions prepared:
https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=e6EHO39ik7M
No need to thank me.
If they can’t clap your shoulder wit their seig-heilin arm you’re “far-left”
Gaslighting the left while complaining about being gaslit by the left is a new one. Or maybe it isn’t, idk…
Someone needs to tell these folks that they are not even ten percent as oppressed as they seem convinced that they are. I have never seen anyone else complain so adamantly about not being allowed in the country club from inside of the country club. Playing the victim in spite of everything is the only way their Final Solution to the Palestinian question can be parsed as a morally justified endeavor, so this angle has to be doubled down on even when it forces them to commit to this degree of humiliating stupidity.
Also lol at the people saying they’re Indians. One hundred percent of the time, people claiming to be indigenous on Feddit are doing so to deny the genocide of “their” people or run interference for Zionism by framing it as a landback project, or in this case lying through their teeth claiming the antizionist movement shows apathy towards the plight of indigenous Americans. How incredibly absurd.
Europeans are not indigenous to Palestine. And while we’re at it, the Boers aren’t indigenous to Africa, and Puritan settlers aren’t indigenous to Massachusetts. I can’t believe this even needs to be said. Absolutely cursed thread.
