The funny thing is, when I first started working retail, we were encouraged to just say, “Oh, did you forget to complete your purchase?” We weren’t allowed to go straight to accusing someone of stealing. That gave them the opportunity to either pay for the items or leave them behind.
Correction: pay back a small percentage of what you stole
This whole tipping culture is reaaaallly hard trying to land here northern EU and I absolutely hate it, I refuse to tip anyone. Employers, pay your employees a living wage, it shouldnt be up to customers generosity. You cant? Then sounds like you should charge more of your customers, downsize your business until you can… or go out of business, since sounds like your profitable business is not actually profitable.
What really annoys me is the American servers coming at the patrons: “if you can’t afford to tip, you shouldn’t eat out!”
I would hate for that attitude to spread to the northern EU as well.
Cool, bet. Now we don’t eat out and they don’t have jobs.
Of course there’s always the option of begging the government to bail you out, and then they do for some bizarre reason.
We live in a capitalist society for individuals and socialist society for corporations, which feels the wrong way round.
Doordash corporation is nothing but a theiving evil company run by thriving evil immoral scumbags.
NZ parliament recently passed an act clarifying that wage theft is theft and that individuals may be criminally liable if they commit it: https://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/member/2023/0245/4.0/whole.html
What’s it like, having laws? Are they enforced?
We have a lot of nice labour protections (esp compared to the US, yikes) but ofc this means business goes around them (and current parties are discussing rolling them back to ‘support small businesses’ from having to do that).
It’s really hard to fire a worker under contract unless they straight up abandon their job or violate their contract. If youre bad at your job, but not dangerous, its so hard to fire you (and taking you off shifts, ie: constructive dismissal, is also prohibited) that you’ll basically be sticking around anyway.
But that means that employers just hire part-timers to work juuuuust under the requirements, or have them on the 90-day probationary period and oop sorry, I don’t think it’s a great fit. The results is that job stability is pretty good if you can actually fucking get one, but most younger Kiwis are stuck in casual work or move overseas.
You’ve adopted the American nightmare known as gig culture. So sorry, but it seems all we export now is dystopian bullshit. And bombs, obv.
We have a legal system that protects the rich and punishes the poor. Luigi gave us a taste of what the opposite could look like.
Should I DM the mod of this community and double check if it’s okay for me to upvote? Oh silly me… this is lemmy. Of course it’s okay to upvote this fact of life!
I’m assuming this is a reference to something that I’m going to say Reddit has done?
“Corporation, n. An ingenious device for obtaining individual profit without individual responsibility” Ambrose Bierce
I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise
I wonder if you could create an argument for this blatant disparity and how punishments are meted out to show how penalties for shoplifting and personal theft crimes are cruel and unusual. If stealing 17 million comes with less penalty than stealing 1700 then the penalties for 1700 are therefore unusual right?
Or the 17 million punishment is unusual…
I suppose step 1 in that line of thinking is ending prison slavery and the systemic violence prisoners and guards inflict on the incarcerated.
Not that we can’t do two things at once…
This is very likely to be the future of AI law once AI is good enough.
Few things.
- Corporations are not people. Laws need to change and loopholes need to be closed.
- The rich need to pay their way. Laws need to change and loopholes need to be closed.
Lmao that’s sickening
If corporations are people then they can be put to death
The question is how are we gonna go about that.
🐷✂🗑 I had to get creative, my keyboard doesn’t have an guillotine emoji
Pig-scissors-thrash is kinda clear tbh.
Luigi started. Who will take up the mantle?
All I can tell you is it has to get a lot worse before it gets better. I don’t see change coming without bloodshed because those in power and their enablers don’t want either of those things to happen.
We start by closing loopholes and making the rich pay their way.
And if they don’t? Guillotines, baby!
I’m all for that, truly.
How do we start?
We’ve been talking about this online for as long as I remember, and my beard is starting to get grey hairs. To be honest, it’s been pumping up recently, but it’s still just unorganised discontent instead of an actual organised effort to do something. And those do exist, yeah, but they don’t rival the power of the large companies.
So I’m starting to lose my optimism.
Organizing is hard and I don’t know how to do it, either. It doesn’t help that a lot of media is owned by conservatives, and the police/gov’t historically hasn’t hesitated to murder organizers (see: fred hampon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton )
I think it’s easier for conservatives because they just attract morons and their aims aren’t creating a unified entity to do something, rather it’s to benefit personally.
It’s way harder to create a peaceful global cooperative than it is to sow chaos and steal things.
Also i think it’s easier when you have the backing of the wealthy. i think the “tea party” had rich backers, for example, while ‘occupy wall street’ never had the same financial support.
I think with the internet, we could actually change this.
I think that if there was a unified community, a properly large one, one could use the economic power derived from the consumers to target specific things.
Wouldn’t need strikes. You’d just need an app to tell you what things not to buy for a week and what are the alternatives so you can still get your addiction on, whatever it may be (coffee, alcohol, dresses, chocolate, a specific type of heroin, who cares).
Like a global union, with the power that a full strike gives you, but without having to actually even strike.
Wage theft is bigger than all other theft, but far fewer people are dragged onto the sidewalk and strangled to death for it. Maybe that should change.
Come now, you rich people, weep and wail for the miseries that are coming to you. Your riches have rotted, and your clothes are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have rusted, and their rust will be evidence against you, and it will eat your flesh like fire. You have laid up treasure during the last days. Listen! The wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, cry out, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. You have lived on the earth in luxury and in pleasure; you have nourished your hearts in a day of slaughter. You have condemned and murdered the righteous one, who does not resist you.
James 5:1-6
Dayum! New favorite bible passage for being obnoxious towards hypocrites with just dropped!
And by “just” I mean “a thousand years ago”, or whenever that part of their book was written 🤷
“When the truth walks away, everybody stays 'cuz the truth about the world is that crime does pay. So if you walk away, who is gonna stay? 'Cuz I like to think the world is a better place.”
Underrated Offspring jam! I feel like Offspring get written off as pop-punk but are generally underrated as political artists.
Listening to that album nowadays is hair-raising. It’s almost as though people have been screaming in Americans faces for decades about what’s becoming impossible to ignore, I know I was singing these lyrics since 1999:
"Well, I’d like to tell you all about my dream
It’s a place where strip malls abound
And diversion’s mere moments away
Where culture’s defined by the ones least refined
And you’ll be left behind if you don’t fit in
It’s all distorted in Americana my way
Well, fuck you
Whoa, whoa, whoa, well, my dream has come true
Whoa, whoa, whoa, my vision has come true
Now give me my cable, fast food
Four-by’s, tat’s right away
I want it right now 'cause
My ge-generation don’t like to wait
My future’s determined by thieves, thugs and vermin
It’s quite an excursion but it’s okay
Everything’s backwards in Americana my way
Well, fuck you
Whoa, whoa, whoa, well, my dream has come true
Whoa, whoa, whoa, my vision has come true
Yeah, it’s all coming true
I’m a product of my environment
So don’t blame me, I just work here
But I wanna fuck it up
My rights are denied by those least qualified
Trading profit for pride but it’s, it’s okay
Everything’s backwards in Americana my way
Well, fuck you
Whoa, whoa, whoa, my nightmare has come true
Whoa, whoa, whoa, my nightmare has come true
Yeah, it’s all coming true
Yeah, it’s all coming true"
I’m sure this global company only did it in NY for some reason though, better not look into this globally. Wouldn’t want to do that now!
This is why, regardless of who delivers food the few times I order out, I always tip in cash (don’t have to claim it, company can’t steal it.)
Despite living in a country where cash is practically non-existent (Netherlands), this is my reason for keeping a cash-jar.
US workers do have to claim tips though. Whether they do or not, and how enforceable that is, is a different story.
Canada here, I believe ours do as well, but easier to hide when in cash and company can’t steal it. I had heard of this when DD et. al. was relatively new and decided then cash was the way. It is up to the employee to do or not do
Maybe only NY had the foresight to make this practice illegal?
$17m sounds low.
Lawyers are gonna get a huge chunk of that too. An already too low number gets diluted until it’s a joke. I’d be surprised if any individual driver gets more than$100. Fucking joke.
I’d like to point out these people would be out of business tomorrow if we quit giving them our business.
They only have to go up to minimum wage.
They steal from everyone. My wife was stuck in a hotel with no room service about a year ago and didn’t feel up to walking for food. She found that she could get a free year doodash subscription through her Amazon Prime. She joined, got her food and promptly cancelled the subscription. We’ve just been through the joy of getting a refund for two months of doordash that hit our credit card.
I mean, that’s basically how the entire hospitality industry operates at this point.
The early history behind tipping was basically to not pay black people and keep some simulacrum of slavery. Black people were historically pretty predominant in the hospitality industry - a good way to pay them shit, and make them dependent on the generosity of white people.
Wow, I did not know that.
