Something that totally shocked you learning it or realizing it. I might be using the wrong wording here, but ill give you my example:
In Ocarina of Time, we all know the Triforce was cut, or otherwise not something you get in the game, save for in the cutscenes towards the end. BUT - did you know you can actually go find it and see it in the game?
If you have a Gameshark, turn on the levitation code. Go go Zeldas Cortyard in the room where she is, and fly over the wall. When you fall, you’ll land in a pool of invisible water, and underneath the center of the room with the flowers, look down - there it is. Can’t interact with it, but you can see it, and i choose to believe putting it in that exact spot was intentional for lore reasons.
What do you got?
In final fantasy 15, Bahamut has Noctis’s face. The first king of Lucis, Ardyn’s brother Somnus, also looks the same. You can never see Bahamut’s full face in-game because his mask covers everything except his eyes, but the novel mentions his appearance explicitly and makes the connection textual. They clearly have a father/son/holy spirit thing going on between them where Ardyn is Satan. Well not clearly, but it’s there.
Really, the full plot of FFXV could be described as deep lore because it’s scattered between the games, DLCs, movie, book, and OVA. Here’s some more important details that the main game glosses over:
spoilers, obviously
- Gladiolus’s dad dies alongside Noctis’s dad in chapter 1
- Ravus’s arm got melted off from trying to use the magic ring in the chapter 1 siege too
- the arranged marriage between Noctis and Lunafreya was planned by Ardyn and forced through threat of invasion
- Prompto is a clone of the evil Niflheim scientist guy and so is every generic soldier you fight
If you’ve completed enough endings of Nier Replicant/Gestalt you’ll already know the twist at the end of Nier Automata, but less known is that the triggering event of Nier’s plot, White Chlorination Syndrome, is introduced by ending E of Drakengard, where the Japanese Air Force shoot down a dragon that just killed a god in a dance off.
This means that the reason you can find the Drakengard weapons in the Nier games is because Caim was carrying all 65 different swords, axes, maces, hammers, spears, staves, and polearms on his person when he was blown to fucking bits by an air to air missile, scattering them across Tokyo.
If I wanted to play Drakenguard, do I need to start with the first one, or can i jump in anywhere?
2’s the only one that’s a direct sequel, so you can start with 1 or 3. Overall the continuity goes 3->hundreds of years->1->2->thousands of years->Nier->tens of thousands of years->Nier: Automata.
I will warn you though, combat in 1 and 2 is a lot rougher and more repetitive than in Nier: Automata and Replicant 1.27whatever, and the world and story of Drakengard, particularly 1, is much darker and fucked up - grimdark fantasy kinda thing. The first game’s “heroes” include a blood knight protagonist, his trusty human eating steed, a useless priest, a woman driven insane by the loss of her family, and a paedophile who escaped the massacre of his family because he was jacking off in the woods. It’s not played for laughs, it’s an extremely dysfunctional group of outcasts killing thousands of people to stop something worse than them from happening. 2 and 3 lighten up a bit on the heroes, but there’s still plenty of weird sex stuff across them and the villains.Overall, my advice is don’t. Just read a Let’s Play of them instead.
There’s an easter egg in Gunstar Heroes if you survive against Timeron for 100 minutes in the spaceship level. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpyW0-Oi50g
That game was really fun, I liked it a lot!
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
What was “the war” in Pokemon? Lt Surge fought in it, and apparently Pokemon did too, but there hasn’t been any prequel game that explores it.
But here’s an interesting reading: so in early Pokemon content guns were a thing, but later on it was decided that guns don’t exist in the Pokeverse. This could be explained in-universe - perhaps guns were a common sight at one time, but they’ve faded out as the Pokeverse’s society has gotten more utopian. This can also be seen in the schemes of the Pokeverse’s organized crime - Giovanni and Team Rocket were up to some bad stuff, racketeering, gambling, poaching, but as you go forward in time the worst crimes committed by society’s anti-social element are tagging and petty larceny.
Could it be that “the war” was the final war, and Lt Surge was a member of the People’s Army that finally defeated the bourgeoisie, allowing for the creation of utopian post-capitalist societies where lotteries are held just for fun, kids can go on cross-country trips unsupervised, and the only vestige of currency is play money paid out just for participating in society and used to buy non-essential things because all of the necessities of life are distributed for free?
It’s not impossible!
Fan theory that is sorta supported: Star Fox is a furry retelling of a real war that happened in the F-Zero universe. James McCloud is a human F-Zero racer.and the weird DS star fox game has an ending where fox totally fucks up his life and he gets it back together when he and Falco join the f-zero grand prix. The Arwing and F-Zero machines are both powered by a G-Diffusor System. The F Zero world not being full of anthropomorphic animals leads me to believe Star Fox is a sanitized telling like Disney’s Robin Hood is Robin hood was a real historical guy or weird furry ww2 fanfics
I buy it
There’s a few animal-people in F Zero, no?
Bio Rex is a raptor but I think he was made by science. I think the rest are just aliens who kinda look like animals
Lmao I was just on the FZERO wiki after reading your comment and having learnt a bit of Japanese since last playing all that time ago, I noticed that Gomar & Shio ( ごま + 塩 sesame and salt) are both Furikake (rice topping) aliens.
The F Zero X character descriptions are some of the greatest paragraphs ever written. Most of my gaming time is currently spent trying to get really fucking good at the game and high level play of X in counterintuitive and weird, it’s neat but I’ve always been a grip car normal driver, I gotta learn my low grip Tokyo drifts
Yeh I love the descriptions and the goofy little videos you unlock for each character in X. You can tell that the character designers enjoyed thinking up these outlandish (otherworldly) backstories that play out like wrestling drama but with actual in-game-world intrigue and consequence. My hands are itchy lol I wanna play gimme the sticks
Edit: i got my versions wrong, I meant gx. I didn’t play much of x until it was on the virtual console
Everyone is so fucking weird and they give just enough information that it really only raises more questions but you know whatever is going on is cool as hell. VAHOOOM!
My favorite is probably anything from TES. Explaining CHIM or mantling or even breaking down this diagram
The whole idea of the Dragon Break/Warp in the West is one of my favorite pieces of game nonsense ever. Yes, all 7 endings of Daggerfall are simultaneously canon, because Akatosh got really drunk and so 7 different people all simultaneously obtained control of an artificial god and proceeded to do god things with it. Time just didn’t exist for a while, don’t worry about it.
Also it created a new god out of the super powerful emperor from a few centuries ago (except now he’s retroactively always been a god), don’t think about it.
My favourite is how one of the Sermons of Vivec is about Pokemon.
In Warhammer 40k, vehicles such as the Land Raider or the Land Speeder are not named that because they’re land vehicles. No, they’re named that because they were invented by Arkhan Land, the techpriest who designed them.
And the Emperor’s real name is Jimmy Space.
Not even invented but he allegedly found the plans. Inventing things is a tech heresy, so while less dogmatic tech priests do invent things sometimes they always use this excuse so maybe Land did it too. Except Belisarius Cawl, he don’t give a fuck but even he have to frequently engage in extreme theological discussions (extreme because they often ends in shooting) to justify himself.
Also all that is apparently not entirely canon, despite being so entrenched it is in every bit of relevant lore, because Mechanicus Codex said it’s not that bad, inventing things is deemed acceptable in at least one major forge world, Ryza.
Oh well i guess that is some deep lore lol.
Eyyy that’s like Thomas Crapper who invented the modern toilet. Or was instrumental in it’s invention anyway.
In Super Mario 64 if you go to the courtyard and jiggle the joystick around really fast for 30 mins Mario will eventually go “Oooh Mama Mia time to cook a da pasta!” And he will cook you an entire delicious pasta dish he will then turn to the screen holding the dish and say “You want-a dis?” And a menus asking you to select yes or no will appear.
If you select yes he will say “Okaaaaaay~ you-a asked for it!” and he will take a big dump in the dish and throw it at the screen laughing maniacly saying “You still want-a da pasta, nerd?”.
If you select no he will loudly cry “MAAAAAMAAAAAAAA” until you switch off the console/emulator.
This is 100% real my dad who works at Nintendo told me it was Miyamotorolas dying wish to include it.
brb trying this out
Omg its true
hatoful boyfriend is a dating game that first seems like a joke since all the dateable characters (and characters besides yourself) are sentient birds. its all good fun, but if you keep getting into the lore it gets so weird (in the best way). your main character is a human going to a school for sentient birds, but theres a secret lore reason as to why, rather than just a simple joke
big spoilers
the reason the birds are sentient is because a bird flu wiped out most humans, but the countervirus developed by humans to stop the spread of the disease also made all birds develop human level intelligience. theres a massive bird-human war which the birds win because humans still end up dying of bird flu. birds now keep humans away and segregated and living in the wild. about ~100 years later your character is a human from the wild invited to go to the normally bird-only school
Seems reasonable, humans are stinky
Oh shit really? That’s crazy, I remember playing a little bit of that years ago
SimpsonsHatoful Boyfriend predicts reality once again!
It’s not super deep, but the theory that the Gen 1 Pokemon evo lines were reworked for Butterfree/Venomoth to better conform with children’s understanding of metamorphosis in bug species. Based on visual design, some fans speculate that the original evo lines were:
Venonat > Metapod > Butterfree
Caterpie > Venomoth
But then changed to Cat > Met > Butt and Ven/Ven
Idk i read up on it that sugimori did intend it as it ended up but there’s enough doubt and prima facie convincing stuff to make it fun, enduring lore
What’s the evidence that it was switched?
Mostly superficial similarities between the body colour, teeth, antennae and eyes
There is no textual evidence of a switch afaik. The fan justification of the switch is that children learn caterpillar, cocoon, butterfly as the basis for metamorphosis, not caterpillar, chrysalis, moth.
I messed up my original post with the line too, it was speculated that the original line was cat > met > moth and ven > butt
Huh. I can kinda see it. Neat.
The Tribes games are actually in the same continuity as the earthsiege/starsiege/cyberstorm mech pilot series.
Every TES game has you smash, vanish, or otherwise mess up one of the key structures of reality in the world as the goal of the game. None of them can be truly destroyed but at this point things gotta be looking bad.
The indie game called Heaven’s Vault has your characters foster mother as a primary antagonist and a religious fanatic but the Ng+ implies she might be right about everything.
Pretty much all the archaeology of Elden ring and the fact that even the earliest civilisation visible might not have been the first.
The TES stuff is my jam. As much as I don’t really care for Bethesda now, I appreciate that even up through Skyrim, a lot of the wilder lore tidbits are acknowledged and hinted at, just never put at the forefront. The Empire having asteroid colonies and spaceships, Dwemer steam trains, genocidal time traveling cyborgs in Oblivion, etc.
Love the sub canon about what the eye of Magnus actually is. It’s so, so dumb I can’t help but like it.
A big part of the Elden Ring lore is there are aliens and I feel like people don’t make a big enough deal about that
Growing up there was lore of being able to play as Master Hand in SSBM. I thought that shit was made up for the longest time because no one I knew figured out how to unlock him despite all the theories, but no it is actually possible with an input glitch. Blew my mind
Wait, seriously? I remember hearing that rumor, too, and eventually also dismissing it. Now I’ll have to go find videos.
I’ve been playing the games for nearly 30 years now and I still haven’t fully wrapped my head around the Zelda game timelines.
They do come across as “Fine, here you go”, when I don’t think Nintendo really thought about it that deep, just kinda put the same locations in the games.
Like, two parts of the split timeline in Ocarina of Time make sense (Zelda essentially created a time paradox by, after defeating Ganon, sending Link back to his childhood where he still remembers Ganondorf taking over Hyrule), but not the third part (Hero fails).
I will only allow for 2 timelines and in pretty sure Nintendo just made up a third one so their thing was different than what fans had made up
I like the backstory of the first generation of Resident Evil (1,2,3, CV, 4, REmake, Zero) and the twists and turns of Umbrella Inc and it’s like monarchy-themed evil corpo business.
