• SattaRIP@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      268·
      15 days ago

      There’s the pointless blame game, y’all play when your “democracy” fails again and again and again. When the fuck are you stupid Americans gonna figure out what the rest of the world knows from the USA spreading “freedom” and “democracy”? You have no one to blame but yourself, bud.

        • dontgooglefinderscult@lemmings.world
          83·
          15 days ago

          There is always a choice, you failed to make it. “Oh third parties can’t win” they can. Easily. You just need to vote for them. But Americans like you wanted genocide. You’re just mad you might be a victim sooner than later.

          • shiftymccool@programming.dev
            39·
            15 days ago

            Yep, us collective Americans can just all agree to vote third party… Except the reds won’t, so you just advocated red genocide.

            … They can. Easily

            I don’t know where you’re from but third party candidates have never won in the US because of fptp voting.

    • eldavi@lemmy.ml
      112·
      15 days ago

      she didn’t even win the popular vote and there’s aren’t enough leftists to keep up that blue wall.

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
      1315·
      15 days ago

      I hope you like the result of Genocide Joe and Holocaust Harris hard work to win their election! Blue MAGA really did a great job of banning dissent from their echo chamber to keep the gas chamber going. Turns out Genocide is not as popular as they made you believe.

  • Codilingus@sh.itjust.works
    4·
    15 days ago

    Isn’t Israel’s dirty little money fingers in damn near every nook and cranny of all of the USA’s federal elections, and by large amounts?

    • BeamBrain [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      8·
      15 days ago

      war thing everyone gets so invested in yet no one does anything about beyond participating in thinly veiled socialization rituals and including symbols of support into their wardrobes and memes.

      projection

      • Pudutr0n
        11·
        15 days ago

        Maybe, but I don’t feel particularly invested in any war thing.

        Polarization does get to me sometimes, but I feel like my contributions regarding that issue constitute legitimate efforts.

        • BeamBrain [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          51·
          15 days ago

          It’s still projection. You are incapable of caring about the genocide of millions, and so you assume that everyone else is too.

          P.S. pigpoop

          • Pudutr0n
            11·
            15 days ago

            What makes you think I’m incapable of caring or that i assume others are?

      • Pudutr0n
        2·
        15 days ago

        Who cares about genocide and actual demonization of immigrants.

        I mean… Do you? What things are you doing to address these issues?

        Edit: Also, did you assume I’m a white male? I’m not.

          • Pudutr0n
            11·
            15 days ago

            The most basic thing I’ve done was demanding the genocidal party stops doing the genocide if they want my support which I’ve done since oct-8, their refusal to listen doesn’t change my demands or how serious I was in those convictions.

            How’s that been working for you?

            Did I?

            I believe you did. You referred to me “doing it to them (other people)”. I’m other people.

            You pushed the white male victimhood narrative

            Did I? I didn’t, in any way, make a judgement on the value or ethical implications of the dehumanization of white men (even the poor ones). I didn’t imply it was right or wrong. I merely suggested, sarcastically, that it was a big factor in losing the election.

            You seem to be under the impression that this dehumanization is warranted, though. Do you think this mindset helps the problems that our societies and democracies are currently facing?

            Do you think ranking people regarding their levels of assumed victimization due to ethnic, sexual or identity backgrounds is something desirable in general?

            Food for thought, my friend.

              • Pudutr0n
                1·
                15 days ago

                The blue genocidal party lost just as I told them they would if they didn’t listen and stop doing genocide. So I guess I’ve been vindicated in my demands they stop.

                Do you think this will have an impact on the actual genocide, though? Do you feel like you’ve done enough? Can you fairly and honestly say this is something you care about if this is your only action regarding this problem?

                Are you really going to debate bro me on whether I assumed you to be a white male or not?

                Yes, this is definitely what I want to do with my afternoon (this is actually not sarcastic). Did I remove any relevant context? Please elaborate if you care to continue this surreal tangent.

                You placed “white males” as a standalone group in your comment.

                I did.

                white males are not seperate from other groupings of people

                dismissing the struggles of other groups

                Any chance on giving that statement second thought? I think you’ll find something interesting.

                Oh, you just are a debate bro

                I’m unfamiliar with the term. Maybe if you clarify I can tell you if I feel identified with the definition.

                this is when you, sarcastically, pushed the white male victimhood narrative.

                Erm… So by me suggesting their vote was lost, i implied they were victims? I’m sorry but I disagree.

                my rebuttal of the white male victimhood narrative signals to you that I support white males being victims

                No. I think you may have a fixation with victimhood and its implications on the value and humanity of people, and I think you’ve pushed this fixation in every point during this exchange, projecting it into my arguments.

                rank white males at the top of a victimization totem pole.

                This is another example of the former. You seem to be under the impression that victimization is a ranking system.

                Maybe I should clarify. Under my perspective, everyone deserves to be listened to, have their humanity accepted and treated with respect (even in situations of conflict and mutual destruction). You, me, white males, bolivians, jews, palestines, fundies, tankies, billionaires, criminals, war criminals, nazis, hitler, genghis khan. Everyone.

                The reason behind this is that without that basic extension of empathy, all possibilities of consensus are lost before a conversation even begins. Do I always extend these basic forms of empathy to everyone? No, sometimes I’m a dick, but I do try.

                My original point was about the consequences of the lack of willingness to convey these basic forms of empathy to white males in the election (this doesn’t imply i consider them victims. I don’t.)

                What I’m currently trying to convey now is that victimization is not a ranking system, friend. And voting or not voting for someone is not an effective course of action to solve anything you truly care about.

                I’m sorry people you care about are suffering. <3

                Edit: I don’t think I did, and I honestly have no use for information regarding your sex, gender or ethnicity.

    • frauddogg [they/them, null/void]@hexbear.netEnglish
      8·
      15 days ago

      What humanity? What humanity do the sons of settlers have? What matter are the feelings they’ve used to rule over all and sundry for practically all of recorded western history in some form or another? What “white men” fear sickens me, because all that cohort has EVER seemed to fear was not being on top. Crackers fear that we would treat them as they have treated us; and honestly at this point, it’d be warranted if we did.

      That is ‘the quiet part you won’t say out loud’. That is what the cohort you currently bear the water of fears. That you want me to shed tears for that genuinely sickens me, you fuckin loser.

      • Pudutr0n
        41·
        15 days ago

        Do you believe in the universality of human rights?

        • frauddogg [they/them, null/void]@hexbear.netEnglish
          9·
          15 days ago

          I believe that power grows out of the barrel of a gun, and that if John Brown had shot more colonizing slaver bastards, we definitely wouldn’t be having this conversation right now.

          • Pudutr0n
            21·
            15 days ago

            Then we can agree on something, at least partially. Have a nice day and I’m sorry if I upset you.

        • frauddogg [they/them, null/void]@hexbear.netEnglish
          73·
          15 days ago

          Honestly I don’t believe that; but even that’s true, you’re still carrying their water; so you may as well be white.

          We’re not fucking friends; and I don’t claim you as kinfolk. “Humanity of the settler”, get the actual fuck out.

          • Pudutr0n
            41·
            15 days ago

            Ermm… should i post pics of my unibrow? My post history is 90% spanish. My entry point is from a chilean server in which I actively participate… Why is this even relevant though?

            The only water I’m carrying is the one that nurtures universal empathy. Maybe you should take a sip. It’s very healing.

            Ok, non-friend. I’m sorry for attempting to extend consideration towards you.

  • ben@lemmy.zipEnglish
    1218·
    15 days ago

    The democrats lost because they don’t completely align on some of my favourite issues, it has nothing to do with how people felt about the state of the economy or a lack of focus on certain demographics.

    • eldavi@lemmy.ml
      427·
      15 days ago

      Very true; people should not be making decisions on silly inconsequential little things like a genocide.

      • ben@lemmy.zipEnglish
        175·
        15 days ago

        Note the “completely align”, if you care about the conflict in Israel and the Gaza strip then the worst decision you could make is allowing Trump to win and give Netanyahu free reign to do whatever he wants.

        • eldavi@lemmy.ml
          202·
          15 days ago

          Even if every single leftist voted for Kamala, she would still lose; there aren’t enough leftists in this country to restore that blue wall.

          She lost because of the genocide and alienating her base while trying to become a diet republican.

        • axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
          224·
          15 days ago

          Netanyahu is already doing whatever he wants and you’re doing apologetics for genocide. The current Biden administration is complicit in genocide and no amount of crystal ball gazing is gonna change that. Israel is currently doing everything they ever dreamed of doing. All the libs claiming Trump will get Israel to nuke Gaza are absolutely absurd. They’re no going to nuke land they want to steal and settle, are they?

          I’m sick of this shit. The two Amerikkkan parties are identical on foreign policy

            • axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
              163·
              15 days ago

              smug liberal asshole fantasizes about me getting put in the trans camps because I recognize that both Amerikkkan parties are complicit in genocide. I don’t know where you’ve been, but Biden and Harris were shaking hands with Bibi just in July. The arms shipments haven’t ceased, no sanctions on Israel have been proposed, nothing is being done besides token efforts that fail on purpose.

              “wasn’t mean enough to Israel I guess” Is it so much to ask that someone not complicit in genocide be the president? How about this, if the Democrats are so open and willing in their genocide of Palestinians, what hope does that hold for people like me? How can I trust any of you liberals? “Oh, we’ll bomb Palestinian women and children, but don’t worry you trans and gay folk, you’re fine.”

              Yeah ok, except I remember the “first they came for the communists” poem and it’s certainly correct about both of our stupid bloodthirsty parties. I’m old enough to have protested against the Iraq War and I’ve personally watched how current Democrats have simply become the Republicans. Harris fucking accepted an endorsement from Dick Cheney, one of the most evil bastards who ever lived. Slaughtered a million plus Iraqis. And yet here you are concocting a situation where only one side will put me in camps or whatever because I recognize the simple reality that the Demokkkrats and Republikkkans are both explicitly genocidal against my Palestinian comrades

              why are you people like this, you people never learn anything. Fuck off. The Dead Kennedys were right about everything.

                • axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  134·
                  15 days ago

                  I recognize that neither electoral party has anything to offer me, especially if both of them are complicit in genocide. Both are equally dangerous. I’m not going to trust any promises that they make. Did I put it in civil enough terms for you, liberal?

                • QuietCupcake [any, they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
                  137·
                  15 days ago

                  This “frothing mess of a comment”? LOL, it was clear, coherent, consistent, well written, and it took you to task on how slimey and ignorant not to mention hypocritical you are, so you call it a “frothing mess.” I wonder who is really rage-cry and frothingfash here.

                  But no surprise the only thing you’re “getting out of it” isn’t something she even implied.

            • frauddogg [they/them, null/void]@hexbear.netEnglish
              71·
              15 days ago

              Love how you settler sons of dogs drop the masks as soon as you feel you’ve been shown insufficient loyalty. I cannot wait for you to live in the Amerika I was born into, you smug cracker fuck. I want to watch you bleed.

      • mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
        91·
        15 days ago

        Will this result make that better?

        No, seriously. If that’s the biggest issue, to the exclusion of all others - does this event make it better, or worse?

        • eldavi@lemmy.ml
          31·
          15 days ago

          harris’ words said that she was trying to help, but her actions say otherwise; so it’s the same result either way.

          • mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
            8·
            15 days ago

            Okay great, so the problem was unavoidable, in this decision. It made no difference. Why the fuck should we have that problem, and also outright fascism?

            • eldavi@lemmy.ml
              1·
              15 days ago

              i make no distinction between facist and facist-enablers. nevertheless, lemmy convinced me to find someone to vote swap with and i did in nevada.

              the american people chose facism; so go ask them.

    • Kumikommunism [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      243·
      15 days ago

      lack of focus on certain demographics

      There was no “lack of focus” lmao. They focused very hard on telling every demographic that matters to go fuck themselves in different ways. Arabs were told genocide is good, Latinos were told immigration is bad, and black people were told that if they wanted to not be poor, they should buy crypto and start a business.

    • Linkerbaan@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
      2310·
      15 days ago

      We need Genocide Joe to commit Genocide to win the election

      Nobody should replace Skeletor Genocide Joe, he is the incumbent that is the bestest candidate

      Actually Kamala needs to run without holding primaries. It is too late now!

      Kamala must promise keep supporting Genocide, if she doesn’t she will lose

      Kamala needs Liz Cheney to win over voters.

      Actually the economy is bad so it does not matter what Democrats would have done