Article by Advocate about another aging rock star, in this case Alice Cooper, being an intolerable bigot who lost touch with a world that is progressing beyond his limited imagination
“I’m understanding that there are cases of transgender, but I’m afraid that it’s also a fad, and I’m afraid there’s a lot of people claiming to be this just because they want to be that,” he replied. “I find it wrong when you’ve got a six-year-old kid who has no idea. He just wants to play, and you’re confusing him telling him, ‘Yeah, you’re a boy, but you could be a girl if you want to be.’”
“Well, I can see somebody really taking advantage of this, though,” he said. “A guy can walk into a woman’s bathroom at any time and just say, ‘I just feel like I’m a woman today’ and have the time of his life in there, and he’s not in the least bit… He’s just taking advantage of that situation. Well, that’s going to happen. Somebody’s going to get raped, and the guy’s going to say, ‘Well, I felt like a girl that day, and then I felt like a guy.’ Where do you draw this line?”
So basically just regurgitating the same tired, talking points and offering zero thoughts of his own.
What’s confusing is that these people always seem to think that if a man enters a woman’s bathroom that some perverted shit is gonna happen. Wouldn’t that same logic extend to lesbians? Bisexuals would need their own bathrooms. Seems like the problem is rapists, not people trying to pee.
There was a gay bathroom panic in the 90s
Which was partially the result of demonizing the result of sodomy laws and society villianizing gay people which resulted in a culture of hooking up in public bathrooms where there was some kind of privacy. That was used along with the myth that gay men are also pedos to create the gay bathroom panic.
Which was then used as the reason to drastically reduce the number of public Dept of transportation restrooms.
Always about the gd money
Calling yourself a trans is a tried and true legal defence against being prosecuted for rape.
No, it’s not.
I wanted to let you know that your username got me good. I read the first comment and was like that has to be a troll, read your name instead of his and was like, yeah that’s a troll. Then right when I about closed the comment I saw what I saw “No, it’s not”. And to my surprise, Satan’s maggoty cum fart is the voice of reason haha.
Are you fucking stupid? In what world is that a defense for rape?
Pretty sure they’re being sarcastic
Happens all the time in Britain.
You really, really missed adding the /s to that one, friend.
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Nah, he doesn’t get a pass. My dad is older than he is, and he’s not a transphobe. It’s not like being trans is so confusing. It can literally be understood within seconds.
I don’t see why you want to go out of your way to give Alice Cooper a pass, either. He’s known for being a conservative Christian, and it’s very likely that being a bigot fits right into his overall system of beliefs vs. just having one bad take. He’s not a good person. He’s a polite person to his fans by all accounts, but he’s not a good person overall.
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You’re falling into the trap of people who interpret any criticism as “outrage,” as if those of us who correctly identify harmful bigotry are somehow unhinged and in a constant state of outrage. The use of such terminology (“outrage, virtue signaling, echo chamber” et al) is used to deflect attention from the real issue and make it seem like those of us who are (again, accurately) pointing out that these blatantly bigoted beliefs are inexcusable are the real problem – “both sides bad.” Whether this is intentional on your part or not, I would urge you to do better.
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If you really believe what you’re saying, then yes, you are. I think deep down inside you know that Alice Cooper is a raging piece of shit. Like I said, it fits right in with his entire bigoted worldview.
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It’s a fallacy to think that just because I’m wasting time on Lemmy on a Sunday morning that I’m not doing anything meaningful. I literally work for a charitable non-profit that does praxis, and I often meet with local officials to try to make my community a better place.
We are not the people you see in our comments. Personally, I find it cathartic to dunk on bigots, so I will continue to do so, but thanks for the advice?
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It’s a talking point for people who want to go into bathrooms to rape. It’s their fantasy that they are telling on themselves about. It’s pretty much just boomers. Free love didn’t work because it still requires consent, and that frustration has led them to saying that anyone can just take it, because that’s what they want. It’s gross. Most of that generation is gross.
OMG it really is. I grew up in the 80s with boomer parents and all the now infamous boomer humor was everywhere. It was gross and weird and r—y and I hate it. A generation of grabby entitled weirdos.
Yeah it comes from an inability to understand that for trans people the ideal situation of us using the bathroom is one in which nobody is raped. The vast majority of us do our part in that given the statistics of who rapes who in bathrooms.
Yeah, those talking points are just fucking moronic. A guy raping someone in a women’s bathroom isn’t suddenly going to be legal or even protected just because they claim to be a woman, neither would be a trans woman assaulting a cis woman. And there’s also not some magical barrier preventing a rapist to enter women’s bathrooms either. There’s a lot of similarly stupid logic that we could apply to old granpas wearing makeup.
Plus, transphobes want people to use their assigned-at-birth gender’s bathroom, which just means trans men (who actually do look like men) would use womens’ bathrooms, which invalidates their other bathroom related points. Of course, we all know that half of them constantly forget trans men exist and the other half want trans people to straight up not exist anymore.
These points are so incredibly dumb.
time of his life in there
What? How? What do you think goes on in the women’s restrooms?
Somebody’s going to get raped
Rapists, well known for how well they abide by laws and social norms, are gonna magically be stopped by a sign that has a little symbol of a woman…
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Time of his life in there?? 🤣🤣 Dude needs to check out a woman’s bathroom just once. Wtf is he imagining?
Don’t you know? There’s an exclusive pizza party in the women’s bathroom on every Friday and Wednesday.
And everyone probably has their boobs out!
Where do you draw this line?
The line is arbitrary and society isn’t going to collapse if we get rid of it. I bet he knows 0 non binary people and it doesn’t affect him in any way.
Woaw that had no substance whatsoever.
Wow. What a dumb shit.
So if this is all what he said he’s not against trans people. He’s voicing his concerns towards what’s going on. The headline is misleading and comments here are now outraged by taking what he says out of context as well.
But nobody is pretending to be a trans to get into a woman’s bathroom. Also, rape is already illegal. Meaning he’s getting worked up over imaginary ideas of what a repressed minority MIGHT do but haven’t that is already illegal. And even if they DID, in no way shape or form is rape in a public restroom legally defensible because the attacker feels like they should’ve had the same private parts as the victim. It’s all just stupid.
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It’s transphobic.
That’s what I thought as well.
His comments are literally regurgitated anti-trans talking points. It’s not out of context to call them ignorantly bigoted.
Well he has been a Republican for decades
Ah yes the glory of being one of the most targeted minorities.
A good half of the world either kill or jail trans people.
Old man yells “kids these days!”
The sad part is he could influence someone.
I’m understanding that there are cases of transgender
Can I have a 24 pack?
Well that’s disappointing :(
This isn’t surprising if you’ve been keeping track of his opinions at all over the past few decades. He’s been a far right wing religious hack for years. Him openly stating he’s a bigot shouldn’t really be a shock to anyone.
Being a rockstar seems to be a fad as well.
The last time he had a somewhat hit record was in 1991 at 53 years old. He’s 75 now.
I’d say Alice Cooper is less than a fad at this point.
I believe you mean 43 not 53. The 90s are further back in time :(
He’s not really that great a songwriter or a singer. There was hundreds of musicians that were far more talented than him during his time. Dude wore makeup and sang spooky music with a little anti establishment thrown in. He was a great showman but over all didn’t contribute much other than fashion and a little rebellion. His shock rock show is kinda dated and a little cringy.
I saw him live as a teen in the 80’s. He was just another act.
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Trans people have existed longer than him, so by his own logic…
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Except he is repeating transphobic propaganda verbatim
Fuck Alice Cooper. Fucking piece of shit.
A lot of people think he’s fantastic just because he’s nice to fans, but he’s not such a nice person if you’re LGBTQIA, atheist, or otherwise fall outside of his narrow opinions about what’s acceptable
It’s kinda like people think my community is “friendly,” but not so much if you’re black, gay, trans, undocumented, or anything else that falls outside the norm
it seems like every week there’s another article about an older celebrity that “doesn’t get it” about the modern age…
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That - unfortunately - is my impression too. Currently we see the “great reshuffling” as celebs dare to openly admit to their bigotry.
Man named “Alice” who wears makeup (classic smokey eye) is transphobic, who would have thought?
It’s hilarious when people who don’t know what the hell they’re talking about don’t know when to just stfu. More people can benefit from stfu.
Smart people who are aware of Dunning-Kruger learn how to keep their foot out of their mouths and keep their money.
