What made you choose Apple?
Vertical integration
Security
Privacy
Competitive processors
Progressive company
Pretty ui
Vertical integration is precisely what stops me from buying apple.
Why?
Because I have invested in various non apple technologies (phones, pcs, earphones, vr headsets) which don’t play nicely with iOS
So if you’d picked differently when you started out you’d be fine with it?
Vertical integration doesn’t mean that other devices can’t play nicely with Apple devices or vise versa. The only reason they don’t is because Apple wants to be dicks.
You are correct. It’s the horizontal exclusion I dislike, not the vertical integration.
Vertical integration and progressive company are good for Apple but for the consumer they are irrelevant I think.
Security is ok, privacy must be a joke, siri is listening, just like google. You have to be logged in to install an app from the store etc…
Pretty limited ui. Some might like it, some may don’t, but they can’t change nothing.
Siri is only “listening” for a key phrase. Siri processes locally, unlike Google Assistant.
Siri learns what you need. Not who you are. What you ask Siri isn’t associated with your Apple ID. The power of the Apple Neural Engine ensures that the audio of your requests never leaves your iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, or Apple Vision Pro unless you choose to share it. On-device intelligence makes your experience with Siri personal — learning your preferences and what you might want — while maintaining your privacy. And, of course, what you share with Siri is never shared with advertisers.
One company spent years building privacy centric image, literally telling governments they cannot get into their clients’ devices; the other spent years finding new and exciting ways to serve targeted ads.
It’s also the reason why Siri was first to market and fell behind Alexa and Google Assistant so quickly. It took Apple a decade (2011-2021) to create the hashed then encrypted relay system to collect private and anonymous recorded feedback from customers who opt-in to improving Siri.
Competition just kept everything as user feedback data. I’ve read horror stories about the people who worked at Alexa recording review sites.
Integration with their other products. And I’m too old to enjoy fiddling with stuff anymore.
The first time I copied something on my phone and then seamlessly pasted it on my laptop, I was pretty blown away. The integration is a major perk.
It even feels more like magic if you use the three-finger pinch to copy and paste.
But try copying from Apple to Windows
Why would I
If you already have a Windows PC and you buy an apple product.
It was a nightmare getting music on and off an iPod using windows.
It put me right off Apple.
I always found it really easy with iTunes
…I still find it easy with iTunes as I’m still using my iPod 18 years later
ITunes on a mac I presume.
ITunes on a PC didn’t work well over networks.
Nope, on a PC.
Never tried it over a network though, I’ve always just plugged it in to the computer where the music collection is.
Does android have this copy paste function on windows? (Never owned a android phone, serious question)
On android I can connect via USB and just drag the music onto the device.
I couldn’t do this when I had an iPod. I had to go through iTunes and that had to sync before I could do anything.
See that’s not what we’re talking about here. what’s cool in the apple ecosystem is I can copy something on my iPhone to the clipboard and then press cmd-v on my Mac to paste it (Or visa versa). It’s these little continuity things in the ecosystem apple haters don’t even know about I think. Another example, if I place my iPad next to my Mac I can push my mouse cursor of the screen onto the iPad, grab a file, drag it back to my Mac. Wirelessly.
Can you copy and paste from Android to Windows? How about Android to ChromeOS?
Can you copy and paste from Android to Windows?
Yes. Plugged in as MTP has never given me a problem transferring mp3s. No need to rebuild databases. Just drag and drop.
How about Android to ChromeOS?
Never tried.
CaptainEffort and I were referring to the standard copy and paste feature on all OSs, but copying on one device and wirelessly pasting it on another. It’s a very convenient piece of continuity.
Although, what you’re talking about has worked since the release of the Files app in iOS 11, seven years ago. When you connect an iPhone to Windows, it appears as a drive now. You can drag and drop any files once you authenticate.
Yes. My experience was many years ago, but it was annoying enough to put me off trying to integrate Apple with other ecosystems.
You’re misunderstanding them… They’re talking about clipboard sharing between iPhone and Mac. You select some text on your phone, copy it and then you can paste that text on your Mac.
They’re not talking about copying and pasting files.
That’s fair. Apple’s been shifting away from exclusively using proprietary protocols and connectors over the last decade. Most of their remaining proprietary use is in addition to industry standard protocols and connectors now. Adding RCS support in the fall is a long-awaited adoption. They were holding out in effort to leverage GSM to adopt an encrypted RCS standard, but it didn’t happen.
I like that I am their primary customer rather than advertisers as with Google.
I like that their desktop OS is a Unix variant unlike Microsoft’s (although this matters to me less and less over time).
Because they’re not Google.
It’s more that I dislike everything else more for the most part.
Apple products work like an appliance. You don’t have to worry so much about how it is working, it just works and does the thing you need. It saves you time.
A lot of folks on here want to worry about how their computer is working. This is very time consuming and can be pretty frustrating to manage on your own. If everyone did this society wouldn’t have other important things.
A lot of folks on here want to worry about how their computer is working. This is very time consuming and can be pretty frustrating to manage on your own.
Add 25 years of IT work, and I now have zero interest in doing computer stuff as a hobby anymore. I used to love tinkering. Had multi-boot systems, spun up VMs just because I could, turned a minitower into a JBOD SCSI enclosure, etc. Now I just want stuff to work without fucking with it. That used to be Apple… and while they’ve gotten away from that a fair amount it’s still head and shoulders above Microsoft and Google.
If big tech gets awful enough that I have to consider brushing up on Linux, I might as well just fuck off into the woods and see if I can make friends with some raccoons or something. I’m tired, man.
I spent 20 years setting up and maintaining Microsoft software and systems, and a coworker convinced me to try a Mac to test replacing our executive laptops. I was quickly sold, and haven’t looked back. I avoid windows like the plague now and everyone except my gamer son is living the sweet Mac life. Simple, performant, effective.
I left Apple when I got rid of my iPhone 3 and didn’t look back until last year. In the mean time, iOS has grown up nicely, the services are really well integrated, and it’s pretty low on bugs.
Contrast to Google where every OS update to Android makes the UI more and more similar to iOS, but a shittier version of it. Their home assistant has been losing features and the overall recognition has gotten demonstrably worse as time goes on. It annoys me to no end that Android doesn’t have any native ability to resize a photo before emailing it, so you either send a 7MB photo or go through too many ridiculous steps to resize it first. That’s not even counting the services that Google kills all the time, making any investment into their ecosystem unreliable in the long term.
I’m not using Apple now because I’m loyal and like them. It’s because Google has put so much effort into making their own phone a shitty knockoff. If I’m paying premium prices for a flagship phone, might as well go with the one that works better.
This is a great point. I’ve switched between Android and iOS over the years. The past 4 years I’ve been on Android but later this year I plan to switch back to iPhone because they’ve leapt ahead again. Google has let Android languish. They don’t add user delight features anymore and what they do have is poorly implemented.
Apple is constantly adding features that people USE in real life, like Accident detection, fall detection, satellite calling, memoji, Facetime, iMessage, Find my devices, UWB shows you with an arrow on the screen exactly where your loved on is in a crowd or your airpods behind the couch etc
Apple fitness is the best out there and Watch is hands down the best fitness device. And it works great with iPhone.
There are too many things to list but the general rule of thumb is that apple adds delight and useful stuff but Google only adds things that benefit IT like circle to search. That’s just a way to get you using Google search instead of a different search engine.
When an OEM like Samsung’s One UI is better than stock android, you know you have a problem. Plus the fragmentation: something that is on my android device may not be on my wife’s or my friends, or in a different place or whatever.
Average Android users don’t know quick share exists at all. So it’s always off on their phone so if you want to quick share something it’s quicker to send it on WhatsApp than to teach them what quick share is and how to enable it… Whereas every iPhone user knows airdrop and that’s nothing to turn on.
Even the recent customisation additions Apple has made are better implemented than on Android where it’s a clunky process to add a widget, they look terrible and Devs have limited access. Even the bedtime feature where iPhone displays a clock on the screen when docked and charging is excellent for the average user. Why hasn’t Android had this year’s ago??? And still doesn’t!
Plus magsafe is genius. The incredible accessories and ease of use is fantastic.
I can’t wait to switch back to iPhone later this year!
Privacy, security, reliability, creative focused design, powerful hardware and software, great customer support, ease of use from GUI to Terminal (zsh and bash)
I always went with Android growing up but went with Apple once I was on my own phone plan. This decision was based around getting the most software support for the cost. I found that I could buy a refurbished iphone 13 mini for roughly 300$ and still have 5 years of security updates after they stop selling the 13. That longevity for the price is hard to get with android.
Its been a few months, and honestly I’m not a fan of the UI or apple’s way of doing things, but it’s a functional phone.
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I like the fact that they support devices with software updates longer than their competitors.
My last phone was a Pixel 2XL, which I loved, but it stopped getting security updates after just 2 years. I know Goggle has pledged to support devices longer, but I can’t trust them to actually follow through.
Vertical integration (the ecosystem), decent UIs (that the GNOME guys are unable to get close to), higher level of security and privacy than most stock Android phones out there.
Android is great in theory but the amount of pre-installed garbage, material design and Google / vendor powered spyware is way too much for my liking. I’m not saying that Apple doesn’t track things, because they do, but at least there’s no vendor garbage and you can go through the Settings and disable everything you don’t need, restrict Apps from running in the background etc. If you don’t upload your data into iCloud it will be way more private than the average Android phone.
Another thing I dislike about non-Apple phones is that, besides the Pixel and a few others, their bootloader and storage security is a joke, if someone gets your device you can assume they’ll get to your data.
The iPhone Mini.
I love my iPhone 13 Mini. Only thing I’d change is swap the wide-angle for a telephoto. Otherwise, it’s perfect.
I got tired of Google/Android constantly removing functionality I was actively using. (I had specifically bought a Pixel 4a 5g because of certain features not available on other (non-pixel) android devices, only to have those features be removed or hidden deeper into the system with a new android update. Also the quick access buttons at the top of te notification slide suddenly being text only instead of icons thus taking up more space for much less buttons (we went from 8 to 6 to 4 directly accessible))
So I went to iOS, first with a second hand iPhone 7, which is still holding up. (unlike any of the android devices from the same year)
Which convinced me enough to pick up an iPhone 14 pro.
I already had an iPad (because android tablets were horrible) and I enjoyed the integration between iPhone and iPad.
I’ve actually also been looking at replacing my work laptop with a MacBook, but I’m not sure if that’s going to work for me.
You don’t need to choose. It’s just a matter of the right tool for the job. I use a Mac for all of my work stuff because it’s so effortless and easy. I use a PC for gaming on and I use Linux for my servers.
Doesn’t need to be one or the other, pick your job and pick the tool that lets you get the job done the most efficiently or easiest.
