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      If anything that’s an argument against immigration, considering what happened to the people that lived there before

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        Too bad the US is not what the natives made it to be 🤷… they didn’t like what the immigrants did, but money is a very powerful thing.

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        And before the decade-long process of today, even the legal immigrants had it way easier.

        Want to be an American? Great*, get on a boat, avoid icebergs, get off the boat at a port of entry, and talk to someone who will misspell your name.

        ^* ^Experiences ^may ^vary ^based ^on ^the ^foreign ^scapegoat ^at ^the ^time.

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        The rich Americans are seldomly native Amaricans, so the meme is right about the immigrants holding all the money.

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    Immigrants. I always knew it was them. Even when it was the bears, I knew it was them

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      Exactly. normally when we think “immigrants” we think of the peniless illegal people who crawl under the fence or swim around it. No. The real enemy immigrants are the wealthies.

      Especially the ones buying up all our real estate so houses sit empty and cost too much for anyone to live in them.

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    Louis Armstrong with his brother Lance Armstrong back in 89 both went to the moon. All so you could have smaller computers and political posts like this :/

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      I removed and moan as much as the next bloke, but yeah that comment hit me right in the soul (assuming I have one).

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      so many things wrong here:

      1. lois armstrong played the trombone
      2. lance armstrong’s real name is buzz aldrin
      3. it was '69, not '98
      4. the moon landing was in no way politicized
      5. i am not using a computer, but a phone
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    When are we gonna stop demonizing the other half of population, start understanding they may be right right at something and I may not be right about everything. People unite 🤝

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      “See we should all just come together and agree to believe what I believe. You should just accept that sometimes you’re wrong, even though I haven’t presented any evidence. If we agreed, we wouldn’t be fighting; therefore the charitable thing for you to do is to cause us to agree by changing your opinion to match mine”

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        I think once ppl unite we’ll find out we need no old guy in a suit telling us what’s the right thing to do for 4 years long and begin working on a parlament were truly wise individuals have their voice and a wide variety of professors are finnally listened. But we are too many to fit in a proportionally representative parlament and the only solution I see is dissolution of all big states into county governments and form only temporary intercity alliances.

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      Democratically owning the means of production among the workers. Instead of some greedy rich guy who’d want to give as little of the profit as possible to the people actually making the product or providing the service.

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        See, that works for a farm.

        I don’t see how it works for a $40 billion chip fabrication plant.

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          Work isn’t just physical you know. Management, planning, etc is work too, and they’d get paid according to how many want to do them, and how hard they are.

          The difference is, like I said, that some greedy rich bastard who’d want to give as little of the profit as possible to the people actually making the product or providing the service wouldn’t own that means of production.

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          Simple. You know all those scientists that work at $40 billion chip plants? They would actually take the $40 billion and not some random suit who doesn’t do any of the actual work. Executive leadership is important, but it’s not worth 1000x the average worker’s salary.

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            So who builds it? Do you just get together with 40,000 of your friends and go “hey if everyone here chips in a million, we can compete with TSMC”?

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              Organizing it through a Socialist government would probably be the easiest.

              And complaining about such a tiny challenge is hilarious lmao

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              There are examples of exactly this occuring regarding renewables, there are community funded battery/solar farms here in Aus.

              If it can be done on that scale, it can definitely be scaled up, it’s just a matter of willingness of the community.

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        You mean capitalist cooperatives? They exist and even Milei wants to turn Aerolíneas Argentinas into one

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          If that’s what you think this says, then you completely misunderstand anarchism.

          This book describes current and past societies that have functioned using anarchist principles such as horizontality, mutual aid, none of which are utopian, but all of which are significantly more equitable than systems like capitalism, feudalism, authoritarianism, and statehood.

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      Political comics are hard to critique because people see it as an attack on the message and not the abysmal quality.

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        Isn’t the message the point? Aren’t political cartoons historically the epitome of low-brow art? No one here is writing a thesis on Line Thickness and 17th Century Liberalism Themes In Dilbert.

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        Making fun of conservatives on a largely liberal-communist website, damn nothing braver than that lol

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            Sorry I’ll try to illustrate this better.

            Liberal ----> Communist

            As in, anything to the left of conservative which is the majority user base of the lemmy community. Yes I’m aware liberals are capitalists still, don’t try to play these stupid games you know what I meant.

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                You’re asking a question meant to illustrate that I don’t know what I’m talking about because you didn’t understand my original comment or you are trying to discredit me because you believe I’m conservative. I’m not, I just think the meme itself is derivative and doesn’t understand the POV of conservatives. They aren’t convinced gay people have all the money, they just hate LGBT people in general because they’re bigots and believe the economy is shit for different reasons entirely.

                Strawman arguments seem to be a commonality everywhere, it’s not really useful outside of circle jerking that you’re smart and no one else is.

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      The funniest part is how the artist felt the need to write “the left” and “the right” on the characters as if this highly intellectual commentary is too subtle to understand without help. We’ve reached below the point of crappy editorial cartoons.

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        It is too subtle to understand. Without the labels, they’re just random people and the message is lost. We’re not talking about random dumb dumbs that don’t understand how Western oligarchies work, we’re talking about the conservatives that actively cheer it on.

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      I think the content is good. The art feels a little rough, not sure if it is a style or not. If the original author is new at this stuff, this is pretty good. Everyone has to start somewhere.

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    Too bad there is no working class left. The college educated left liked belittling blue collar workers too much.

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      1. There’s no blue collar worker’s because it doesn’t pay enough.

      2. Educated people can and should work in blue collar fields, but unfortunately our society bases everything on money, so leaving blue collar work for higher paying jobs is literally the dear and fluffy capitalism you love so much. Anyone with an education is going to seek the highest paying job possible and none of those are blue collar.

      3. “working class” doesn’t mean field hands and electricians, it means everyone that isn’t a multi millionaire. I work in IT and am still working class, you work blue collar and are working class, the salesman that works for a bank is working class. Unless you’re the owner of a business entity and do not have to work to pay your bills, then you’re “working class.”

      4. The conservative ideology has ground the middle class into non-existence through the deregulation of the market and the abysmal failure of trickle down economics. Compounded by the uselessness of the Democratic party (cause they’re all just old money career politicians too, what a surprise) not doing a damn thing when they’re in control of the legislative branch. Not because educated people made fun of yokels too much. You’re drawing conclusions out of your feelings, not reality.

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        Bro, there are tens of millions of blue collar workers nationwide, and depending on the trade, pays exceptionally well. Not millionaire well, but well enough to live reasonably comfortably.

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      The… The college educated left are still working class, the blue collar workers are also working class, you are working class, I am working class.

      Unless you are part of the owner class, you are the working class.

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    I’m so fucking sick and tired of seeing politics everywhere on lemme. You guys are worse than redditors with this shit

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      I’m sorry people aren’t posting content relevant to your personal preferences.

      May I suggest you use filters, or perhaps go fuck yourself?

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        For a laugh, here’s what this definitely consistent person with a principled dislike of politics (which definitely isn’t just things they disagree with) posted immediately after their complaint:

        US fed doesn’t recognize basic ethics laws, how unsurprising

        A boring dystopia

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        Based. If you see something you dont like on the fediverse, you can ignore it (like a sane person) or filter it out (also like a sane person).

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    Ah. So the “left” aren’t social left, they just see money as the answer to all social progression too. Got it. Well that explains our current Western progress and predicament. Lot of growing up to do if, as far as social progression goes, money is seen as a power rather than a weakness. Ain’t no one in need getting any that way.

    History repeats and we all stay the same. New generation, another dollar.

    At least “eat the rich” makes more sense. Robin Hood would rob the guy and not socially recognise them as a king. More important things to do.

    Edit: I actually expected more down votes than this (7) and was wanting some discourse. Anyone? I’m looking for someone to state what’s not already called out in that a core issue is the perception of monetary wealth being a controlling factor of social imbalance—which of course it is with a society of that perception.

    You’ve all got bank accounts drained for the people, not your house deposit, right? Right? Sorry… Left? Left?

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      The Left: Rich people are the problem

      saltesc: So you agree that money is power? Gotcha!

      Everyone: What does that even mean?

      saltesc: Don’t dismiss my word salad without discourse!

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        Well, actual left doesn’t base itself on economical attributes. So it’s interesting to see a meme go straight to wealth while claiming leftism. Part of being on the left is recognisimg wealth as a faux controller and issue. Actual left doesn’t socially want in on it too. Actual left would aim at rejecting an acknowledgement of wealth by reinforcing services and freedoms to all without requirement of wealth, thus diluting the importance and value of money.

        This comic almost opposes that by weighing importance of wealth. It’s insulting to leftism by claiming “this is left”.

        A lot of the replies seem to be the trending American ideas of leftism which are very new and very unique to a $27T GDP with stonks of social issues. Kind of trying to force the two to connect, but that’s not how leftism works.

        Y’all can literally Google it right now if you need to know what being left is. It’s social equality you’re meant to be working on, not getting a piece of the pie. Recognising and blaming distribution of wealth is literally opposing leftism because it’s acknowledging and giving finance power. The comic is more “I feel left out” when it should be “your money is nothing”.

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          Bro wants to sound important and educated soooo bad. I actually giggled reading “economical attributes”. Like I don’t think even you understand what you’re trying to say.

          It’s social equality you’re meant to be working on, not getting a piece of the pie.

          Leftists want this. You’re not saying something revolutionary. The problem is that in America, getting democratic socialism with redistribution of wealth is much more realistic than a total social overhaul like you’re suggesting.

          Recognising and blaming distribution of wealth is literally opposing leftism because it’s acknowledging and giving finance power.

          Uhhh no. Capitalism and the govt give finance power. Recognizing and attempting to use the system to better the lives of people isn’t the problem, it just isn’t the ideal solution. It’s a stop-gap.

          You can claim “true leftism” all day, but I live in reality where half-assed solutions are better than nothing.

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          TIL criticism of the status quo isn’t left. Neither is criticizing power dynamics. It’s not about sharing the cake equally but pretending the cake doesn’t exist. This will feed the hungry and house the homeless.

          Sure, occupying empty houses will house the homeless but only if you are prepared for the power dynamics which is the police will evict you in no time. I wish money was nothing but force ain’t nothing and the state has a monopoly on force, so as long as they think money is something, it is. Good luck with your mutual aid initiative or what ever it is you are doing and we can try to change the system, but we can’t just ignore it.

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            States where the society views money as less important than social issues/equality already have and will continue to get progressive social benefits. You can’t put a value on something if every expects it to be free. Lack of wealth is not an issue when everyone expects things to be free. But by recognising wealth and pricetags does money become important and thus hoarded. Th cake isn’t money, it’s cake. You don’t need money redistributed for everyone to get cake when cake is expected as a social staple and offset by the society as a whole.

            This is fundamental leftism. A society won’t achieve it if they’re focused on people having more money than them. “But how will I pay for cake if they have all the money?!” Uhhh, you don’t. You demand the cake and halt everything until you get the cake. Once everyone has cake, back to business as usual.

            I can’t recall a single historical social issue that was resolved by acknowledging and redistributing wealth. Enough people just demanded it and social equality happened.

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              I love how you totally ignore my point. Sure, money isn’t the cake, but housing is. Good luck ignoring the cops that evict you!

              Sure, I want a classless, moneyless, stateless society but on the way there, we can’t ignore what is. I’m not a Marxist but I think we can agree that Marx was left. He wrote a book “Das Kapital”. You can literally google what it is about.

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                I’ve read plenty of Marx.

                I see your point. However, you are still not understanding. Fair housing can’t happen if you think it’s about distribution of wealth. Stop thinking it’s all about money. It’s about social equality. The left would introduce rental caps, tenant benefits, rental assistance programs, more rights and benefits to prevent unfair evictions. But also improve housing for renters to have more equal stance to own instead.

                This is what left states do. Left is not considering and focusing on redistributing wealth as the centre of social inequality since it is not a social issue. Money comes after. It is a result. If a self-proclaimed “left” is so obsessed with money, I question their concern of actual social equalities because they too are only thinking about the money and there’s no resolve in that.

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                  Nobody said it’s only about redistributing money. We are talking about a 4 panel meme that says “Rich people are the problem”. It’s not a manifesto stating that redistribution will solve all our problems. It’s a meme saying rich people are the problem. They are the ruling class. Not everything utterance has to have the solution. Sometimes it’s enough to state the problem.

                  I’m full into solving the housing problem by occupying empty houses and self-organized groups around the concept of mutual aid. We need to abolish money and the state and patriarchy but sometimes it’s ok to “just” say “rich people are the problem”. This doesn’t imply that it’s the only one and that the solution is easy. It isn’t.

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      What does your comment mean though? Feel free to attack my reading comprehension but i don’t actually think your comment is making a statement. Distill it so my slow ass understands and maybe (and that’s a big maybe) we can try to have some sort of conversation. Judging by the downvotes i presume your opinion is unpopular–i just don’t understand it well enough to see why.

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        Judging by the downvotes i presume your opinion is unpopular–i just don’t understand it well enough to see why.

        Asked and answered. It’s incoherent borderline word salad and just comes across as really really trollish, especially with the edit demanding “discourse.”

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        I think his comment is reading way way too much into it. The comic is basically saying that “left” is willing to question authority, while “right” takes it as gospel and asks for more.

        There’s also the claim that criticising weath disparity while living in a very weath-centric system is somehow an endorsement of that weath-centric system.

        Guy seems to just want to dump on the idea of left, so I’ll leave a downvote and let him dump in peace.

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          Thanks for taking the time to break that down for me. I will just go ahead and attack my own reading comprehension–i never would have deduced that from their comment, no way.

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          Could it also have something to do with the fact that nowadays what’s called “the right” in the US are extremists and what’s called “the left” are center-right/right wing?

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            Maybe. Seeing some of the follow up commonts, it feels more like a no true scotsman fallacy.

            “You can’t be left without being extreme left” “the left doesn’t do moderate left things!” “Thinking about money proves you aren’t left!”

            As if wanting anything less than a money-free socialist utopia yesterday isn’t left enough.

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        My opinion is left and it’s annoyed that someone would say the comic is left.

        While the comic is focused on distribution and accumulation of wealth being an issue, actual left recognises finance as an issue. Society doesn’t require wealth for equality. People can be rich in leftism. Leftism is social. Social issues is what it addresses. Thinking “left” is somehow attached to finance is fundamentally anti-social. Thinking money should be better disteibuted and not hoarded by the rich is acknowledging money is power which is anti-social.

        None of us with national healthcare systems got them by considering money and the rich and who has and who doesn’t have money. We got them by acknowledging health as a social issue. Money be damned.

        None of us with nationally assisted higher education got it by considering money and the rich and who has or doesn’t have money. We got it by acknowledging education as a social issue. Money be damned.

        None of us that with gun regulation got it by considering money and the rich and who has or doesn’t have money. We got them by acknowledging public safety as a social issue. Money be damned.

        This comic… “Nah, it’s money, hey. That’s what’s stopping us. I’m left 👉👈” It’s kind of insulting to the ideology. And I expected backlash on here because Lemmy seems to be riddled with backseat leftists that don’t actually know what it is. By acknowledging money as some big value implies that when it comes time to pay for social equality, Lemmingtons and the author of this comic will be upset to be getting less money. That’s not an issue when money takes anback seat to social progression aka actual left.

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        You calling me crazy? Just 'cause I got a hotel in my foot doesn’t make me a boogalymoogalymoogaly!

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      You and all of the new conservative sign ups on Lemmy need to go back to 4chan or Truth and have your circle jerk. Lemmy was safely claimed by leftists. You’re gonna have a bad time here.

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        You’re making bold assumptions and trying to place me in a tribe you see the world as—but I’m of none of the things you mentioned nor even close. You feel you can say that without much thought or concern though because you feel as though you’re protected in your camp, why would you declare it so loudly that I know where I am? The reality is, your camp is small, one of millions, and insignificant in global society and culture. You also clearly know as much about conservatism as leftism if you think anything of what I said was ideals or association of conservatism. This must be just what you’ve learned in your camp.

        But, hey. You keep fighting that “us vs them”—whoever the fuck they are—thing you got going on. That’s the irony of your self-painted banner. It doesn’t help the world progress and encourages we remain conservative of its old social ways and setbacks.

        Tribalism is for the old, the weak, and a disgrace on what we’re supposed to be and could be. The world’s long been too small for you to bark like a yard dog and be intolerant of everything that walks by. Maybe it’s time you start reading about the things you claim to hold so dearly. Or don’t. I’m a 4chan “conservative” after all. Nazi next, hm?