Series Produced by
Jason F. Brown … executive producer (24 episodes, 2019-2023)
Steve Gaub … executive producer / co-producer (24 episodes, 2019-2023)
Tomasz Baginski … executive producer (16 episodes, 2019-2023)
Sean Daniel … executive producer (16 episodes, 2019-2023)
Lauren Schmidt Hissrich … executive producer (16 episodes, 2019-2023)
Mike Ostrowski … executive producer / producer / co-executive producer (16 episodes, 2019-2023)
Jaroslaw Sawko … executive producer (16 episodes, 2019-2023)
Piotr Sikora … executive producer (16 episodes, 2019-2023)
Simon Emanuel … consulting producer / executive producer (16 episodes, 2019-2021)
Matthew O’Toole … executive producer (16 episodes, 2021-2023)
Matthew Bouch … consulting producer (12 episodes, 2021-2023)
Katie Bullock-Webster … post producer (8 episodes, 2019)
Declan De Barra … supervising producer (8 episodes, 2019)
Ildiko Kemeny … co-producer (8 episodes, 2019)
Jenny Klein … co-executive producer (8 episodes, 2019)
Sneha Koorse … supervising producer (8 episodes, 2019)
David Minkowski … co-producer (8 episodes, 2019)
Suzie Shearer … line producer (8 episodes, 2019)
Mark Birmingham … co-producer (8 episodes, 2021)
Sean Guest … associate producer (8 episodes, 2021)
Sam J. Brown … associate producer (8 episodes, 2023)
Ben Burt … associate producer (8 episodes, 2023)
Javier Grillo-Marxuach … executive producer (8 episodes, 2023)
Haily Hall … co-producer (8 episodes, 2023)
Sasha Harris … producer (8 episodes, 2023)
Veselin Karadjov … line producer (8 episodes, 2023)
Tania Lotia … supervising producer (8 episodes, 2023)
Tera Ragan … co-producer (8 episodes, 2023)
Alik Sakharov … executive producer (7 episodes, 2019)
Kathy Lingg … executive producer (6 episodes, 2019)
Juan Cano Nono … Líne Producer Canary Islands (4 episodes, 2019)
Beau DeMayo … co-producer (2 episodes, 2019)
Stephen Surjik … executive producer (2 episodes, 2023)
Marc Jobst … consulting producer (1 episode, 2019)

Find a mostly European instance. Problem solved.

Americans are desperately trying to globalize their concerns everywhere.

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An alternative to do what exactly? To just follow people? What about you follow no one?

Don’t bang your head on the wall with this one. Once we have more federations, the people who don’t want to play this endless cat and mouse game will simple adhere to another federation, without any NSFW content, and that will be solved.

It has been requested from day one.

In the end it will be all about federating with the right communities and not about federating everyone anymore.

A lot of people who are defending “federate everyone” do it in the name of “fear of missing” and want the numbers at all cost. They are borderline addict to infinite content, but they are a danger to quality posting. You cannot mass post AND care about the quality of what you post. It takes time to find a good article to post.

Even here we will soon read about what Elon Musk had for breakfast and will post it in “tech”. Some people want content, whatever the quality of what they read, even the title is enough for them. And sadly the current vote system works in their favor.

My guess is many of us will leave kbin for a more tight, content focused community. Also better tools will come up anyway.

“Fear of missing out”

We are not the cool guys therefore we don’t exist and the party happens without us elsewhere.

Smite: During my third game I’ve never been insulted like that in any other videogame.

DOTA2 advise new players to turn off communications. How did it come to that?

They are expanding and are going to continue expanding regardless of how their power needs are met.

And this is exactly the problem we should focus on. They should not be allowed to expand like that. Either we are in a situation of emergence or we are not. Just stop them, make the political decision to stop them.

I would much rather we switch 100% to wind, solar, geothermal rather than ditching the internet.

Run the numbers, everything we don’t do now to reduce the CO2 emissions will be paid a hundred times more later. Megafires, megadraught, etc.

It’s totally useless as long as you don’t shut down plants that are running on coal. Otherwise it’s just adding up with other sources of CO2.

Google is still closely associated with California to many people (and to a lesser degree New York), but it’s determined to change that reputation. The company is launching a $13 billion expansion in 2019 that will give it a total US footprint of 24 states, including “major expansions” in 14 states. The growth includes its first data center in Nevada, a new office in Georgia, and multi-facility expansions in places like Texas and Virginia. This is on top of known projects like its future New York City campus.

This plant is used to power up an expansion of google, which means it’s just adding up CO2 to what we already emit. It’s creating a fake impression that we are reducing our carbon footprint.

There is a simple solution: shut down the datacenter. No more power needed, no more water needed. The problem is not about CO2, it’s about us refusing to let go our previous way of life.

And if you refuse this solution ask yourself why.

Blocklists will become the norm. We cannot manually block everything in /all. It was working for the first few weeks but not anymore.

Take for example the left and the right, both will have their respective blocklists and will publish them extensively. Now publishing your own blocklist will mean that you have a horse in the race.

The wikimedia fundation is full of money, your forest office is not.

I’d at least hope you were arguing in good faith, but you’re obviously not

Can’t you just say “I disagree with you” instead of accusing people of arguing in bad faith? What’s so hard with explaining why you left reddit?

Being in an instance with people who share similar topics is fine. Defederating from general instances, though, just puts you in a small bubble.

Wow, what a colossal waste of time it was. I spent time explaining the thing and that’s all I’ve got in return.

I don’t understand why you reject that any other solution other than defederation might work when it has worked for Mastodon, Pixelfed, etc.

The mass of content is different, the type of content is different. I don’t know why you compare them. Reddit is the closest example of what we are aiming for and you refused to answer why you left reddit.

I’m done, I’m not spending more time with this.

Reddit did it fine.

Reddit has one unique instance only.

Reddit had moderation everywhere.

Still reddit is flooded by low effort content.

Mags should moderate themselves. Going back to the Reddit analogy, if a subreddit mixed memes and useful content, and I didn’t want to see memes, I’d stop following that subreddit.

This is not reddit here. This is more like chaos. Reddit is an example of an instance completely defederated, with only one authority. You cannot expect the same here when you federate with everyone.

Neither do I, but that’s ironically what we’d both get if we followed your suggestion of defederating from “generic” instances. Most useful and informative communities I follow right now are on lemmy.ml and lemmy.world. If we defederate from them just because you don’t want to click the block button a couple of times, we would both lose access to most informative communities in this space.

No, they would probably post their useful information in a federation which promotes quality.

“just because you don’t want to click the block button a couple of times”

As if I was the problem. We are only one month in. What do you think will happen in 6 months? Do you really believe that new users will follow your routine to block every sub posting trash? Of course they won’t! They will follow the link to a federation that fit their style. Why not? What’s the big fuss about federating with a select group of instance? Whats the drama about? I don’t get it.

Every time someone mention defederation it’s like we kicked a hornet’s nest. People will run away from memes. And defederation is an adequate tool for this. You can stay if you want, other people will leave.

If, however, we simply filter some of the most active communities’ content out, and enable users to keep blocking out stuff they don’t want to see at all, you can get a good mix of all the content you follow, and you can still go directly to the communities in which you want to read every single thread and read every single thread. We could even have a /sub and a /filtered-sub, where in the first one you’d see aboslutely everything, and in the second one you’d have a Reddit style sub tab with a mix of content of the various communities you follow.

You won’t win this race. Eventually people wanting quality will rejoin people wanting quality on another federation.

And that’s fine IMO. /r/all was unusable on Reddit, too, and I think that’s fine because it’s not made for you or me. Some of my friends loved /r/all, though, and refused to use the sub only view. I think like on Reddit, /all is meant for people who want to see content from absolutely everything and like living in chaos, basically. I personally don’t see the point of that, so I’d rather follow /sub. But I want /sub to have all of communities I follow, and not have most communities arbitrarily cut out because, again, you alone don’t like memes.

Fine, you are welcome to stay with the meme enjoyers. It makes me wonder why you are not on reddit. If reddit “does it so well” why didn’t you stay on reddit?

ETA: I love that there is no algorithm showing me more of what I’ve already engaged with or more of what it thinks I want. I like being exposed to new stuff that I didn’t know I wanted to read about.

And the mass of this new content is memes and low effort. There is no miracle. It worked at first because of the people who joined initially, we left reddit for a reason. But some people are already feeling the crowd effect and the fediverse hasn’t reached his maximum intensity yet, far from it. So expect the default fediverse federation to get worse and worse, because spammers want a public.

I see no other direction for the people who want quality content to create their own federation. Sure you can put some limiters here and there but the fundamental problem will remain. No one ever said that everyone should federate with everyone.

I think we should give it time and see how things go, but there will probably be a lot of changes on the federation thing.

I don’t think your answer addresses what the OP is talking about at all and it’s getting kinda scary that the immediate answer to every small issue people have on the Fediverse seems to be defederation. People do love their echo chambers apparently.

I did address the point. My conclusion is it cannot be done reliably by an automated system and that we have the choice of blocking manually or defederating.

What I want, and I think that’s what the OP is talking about, is simply to have a way to slow down the posts from the more active communities - kinda like how Reddit didn’t show you all of the content of a very active sub when you were on your main feed, but only the hottest threads, and you’d get a mix of threads from very big active subreddits and smaller more inactive subreddits. I love the LOTR meme communities, for example, but I don’t want to see all of their posts on my main feed, since it drowns out discussions from other smaller communities. All we need for that is a limit to the amount of threads you can be shown from every community on your main feed.

Then I already mentioned why it cannot work reliably: “how would you make the difference between useful posts and spam from the same mag? You can’t, it’s just too much content to sort out.”

So you want the insightful posts being hidden from a mag because someone else in the same mag spammed memes? Because that’s what you will get. Sorry but I don’t want that. I want to be out of this meme bubble. We are slowly encountering the same problem than reddit had.

I dislike the idea of “federations devoted to a topic”

Nope, I did not say “devoted to a topic”. I said “In the end it will come to a federation made of instances with the same moderation policy.”

I said “moderation policy”, I didn’t say “topic”. I said that hobbyists would start the process, but they will probably federate with other hobbyists from other domain as long as they share the same moderation policy.

/all will soon become unusable anyway. It was great at the beginning, but the more people join and the more it will become unusable. You didn’t really think that all instances would always be federated, right?

It’s not just memes but also unrelated content to the magazine. There are spammers out there, hunting for quantity.

The short answer is probably: you can’t. You say you don’t want to block the mag, but how would you make the difference between useful posts and spam from the same mag? You can’t, it’s just too much content to sort out.

The only reason why we did not defederate was a lack of content. Once kbin.social is filled with enough users federation won’t be necessary anymore and it will be seen as a way to introduce cheap content to prime newborn instances.

Can you tell the difference between lemmy.ml, beesomething and lemmyworld or the cohort of attempts at lemmysomehing? No. There isn’t much difference. The idea was that instances would specialize into a theme but it did not happen. People want the mass. They want to be where the buzz happens.

Yes, in theory you can use any instance as a point of entry but in reality people want to join the biggest party. So the only difference between instances is mostly moderation. And somehow the initial link that people saw in their original community to find their new instance. Like many of us did with /r/redditmigration

This is all about sane default settings. If your instance allows everything and let you chose what you don’t want to see then you are trapped into a whack-a-mole game against a million moles. You will lose your mind blocking stuff constantly.

Either

• we defederate spammy instances, like you mentioned lemmy.world
• we block a mag, and other mags from the same instance will popup anyway.

People won’t have the patience to block the meme spammers. In short: the blacklist system we are using no cannot handle the increasing load of meh content, we have to use the whitelist method.

In the end it will come to a federation made of instances with the same moderation policy. It will work because this policy will enforce the best content possible and will attract the people looking for quality content. So the people complaining about “defederation being a fascist practice” will stay on the old global federation, nothing will be forced upon them, while other people looking for quality will silently leave for instances with better federation standards. The most motivated people will bootstrap the concept, probably people passionate with hardware or another hobby.

Lemmy.world won’t be on their federation list. Too bad for them but it’s their fault for creating an account on a spammy instance.

This state where everyone federates with everyone (except criminals) comes to an end. We will have many different federations, not a single one.

Upvoting your own material is a Michael Scott thing to do.

There is only one metric for a social network, the number of users.

Youtube channel? subscribers

Twitch channel? subscribers

Twitter? Followers

That’s about who gathers the most people, end of the line. If an instance managed to become a pole of gravity then it will be worth money.

And before you tell me that you can subscribe to a different instance, well, you can also subscribe to a different social network.

but fine, we disagree.