• Hamas-run government says Israeli strikes on Jabalia refugee camp in Gaza killed at least 195 Palestinians, with concerns raised by the UN that these could constitute war crimes.
  • Evacuation of foreign nationals from Gaza is underway, with 320 already crossed into Egypt; about 7,500 are expected to leave within two weeks.
  • The strikes targeted Hamas military leaders and infrastructure, with Israel’s campaign responding to Hamas’ cross-border attacks from Oct. 7.
  • U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken is set to visit Israel and Jordan to discuss the conflict and the need to minimize civilian casualties.

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  • Holyginz@lemmy.world
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    To be honest, I don’t really know who to trust at this point. They both have done/are doing horrible things and innocents are suffering. But I 1000% also believe all parties involved would/do lie to serve their ends.

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      Let’s just assume that Israel isn’t lying. They’re telling us that taking out one Hamas official is worth nearly two hundred innocent lives in collateral damage. Best case scenario, they’re still monsters.

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          There doesn’t need to be an alternative to killing children, just don’t.

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            But there are two options: kill the terrorist, or don’t kill the terrorist. Your choice is to let terrorists win, if they bring enough kids.

            • That would be exactly my choice. One terrorist is not worth blowing up children over. Wait for a better opportunity that doesn’t definitely have collateral damage. A terrorist does not “win” if he lives a bit longer. Nobody is “winning” anything in Gaza anyways right now.

              Besides, blowing up children is a win for the terrorists.

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              Nah, that’s just the a false dichotomy that’s been used to manipulate public opinion.

              This whole thing has to be address via Counter Insurgency methods, but that would mean actually listenning to the Palestinians, let them have enough that they don’t want to lose it and not commit random acts of violence and land theft against them, so that the Insurgency Movement which is Hamas has little or no popular support at which point it becomes very easy to find and kill the terrorists.

              However Israel has a far right government (I would even say Fascist), so it’s all about Strength and thanks in a large extent to the support of the likes of the US (plus countries like France, the UK and Germany) they have the means and the “unwavering support” to be as violent as they feel like, hence their choice of purelly violent, no moral considerations (ultimatelly, genocidal), ways of “solving” the problem.

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                What they want is to “kill all Jews”. We’ve already passed that.

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                  They want to kill whoever is stealing their lands and killing their people, they just happened to be Zionists.

                  If Israel was of a different religion, or even atheists, the result would have been the same. People fight for their land and their freedom against occupiers regardless of the occupier’s religion.

                  • qnick@lemmy.world
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                    When Ukraine “steals” land from Donetsk People Republic, you support the “stealers”, but with Israel you change your opinion to the opposite. How come?

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              If you choose to kill a terrorist leader despite them having a bunch of civilians and children around, are you meaningfully different from them?

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                In this scenario, is that terrorist leader who is hiding among civilians from his country actively killing civilians from my country? If so, it sounds like you’re suggesting the moral choice is to sacrifice my own people to save his, while they continue to wage war against my civilians. Bonkers.

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                  It never worked because Israelis would never admit their settlements are illegal and then break ceasefires. There is no pressure because the US waves away international courts. They have done this, blatantly, for decades.

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                    So it’s about settlements all of a sudden? People who yell* “kill all Jews” just want to settle.

                    *not just yell, they actually tried

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              Nope, never said anything close to that. There are myriad ways to kill a terrorist without sinking to their level.

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          Lets put it this way, if the Hamas leaders were hidden in a Tel-Aviv hospital filled with Israelis, would the IDF bomb it?

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            Fuck yeah they would. israel killed at least 122 of their own civilians by just mass firing their tanks into kibbutzes to kill a few Hamas soldiers. They knew there were hostages and still fired at the buildings.

            Unless Hamas is literally standing behind Netanyahu that man will kill anyone. He does not care about israeli civilians the same way Putin throws Russians into the meat grinder.

            This is a genocide orchestrated by Netanyahu to stay in power. The exact same strat Putin is using in Ukraine.

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              You have a point. Just as I finished posting that comment I actually started wondering…

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            I mean… they kind of already did that in the October 7th attack. They would rather their people be dead than be used to release Palestinians imprisoned without trial.

            Maybe it depends on the type of Israeli too. There is a lot of inter-Israeli racism and Arab-Israelis which were historically set near borders to act as buffers, aren’t as valued as their European counterparts.

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      Human rights orgs say they have trust in Gaza health ministry numbers. It’s safe to trust that, I would say. We have no reason or indication to doubt the numbers and they seem consistent with the amount of destruction we are seeing.

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      Don’t trust either of them. They’re both belligerent. They’re going to lie the further their goals.

      Seems the only thing they can agree on are that civilians are dying

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        Hamas is actually quite trustworthy with their numbers if you look purely at history. The israelis are the ones that lie everything together.