Some people, communicating via satellite phones, have described the attack as the “heaviest bombardment yet,” according to independent journalist Sharif Kouddous.

“People can’t call ambulances or civil defense. We are being bombed in an unprecedented manner,” said an unidentified journalist at a Gaza hospital, according to a translation by The Nation’s Palestinian correspondent, Mohammed El-Kurd. “The sky around us just lights up [with explosions], and no one knows what’s going on.”

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    Except that Ukraine attacking Russia was a lie. Russia and hamas are aggressors.

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      Ukraine attacking Russia was a lie, Israel ethnic cleansing Palestine is reality.

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        The sad news in reality is more people and more and more get killed every hour. I just can’t watch it anymore.

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        If you say so. Still it didn’t worth it to plan and perform that October 7th aggression. To think how much time and resources that required and how much stuff could be done instead to actually improve the lives of Palestinians, it’s sad and should be embarrassing.

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            Right? If they cared they wouldn’t have attacked.

            The median age of Palestinians is 18 which means more than half weren’t alive for the vote of Hamas. Now, Hamas has dismantled any democracy so they can’t even take a diplomatic route. And Israel keeps bombing them making sure they continue the system of oppression which in turn spawns more radicals.

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              Oh, look… more white supremacists blaming the colonized for their own genocidal colonization.

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                  Gee, I wonder what this reminds me of?

                  It’s almost like it reminds me of some other fundamentally white supremacist country I can’t quite put my finger on right now.

                  Don’t help me… it’s on the tip of my tongue!

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            And that’s their main problem. You can’t be responsible government if you don’t care about your citizens. You can’t rely on the rest of the world to save your citizens while you continue aggression.

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          Well you could say that with the money Israel is burning for the terrorist action these days it could have found a way to keep its citizens alive… and still here we are.

          These kind of arguments don’t really help do much progress, do they?

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          Yeah… imagine if Jewish people spent their energy appeasing Nazis instead of doing the “Jewish Bolshevism” which forced those poor white supremacists to go on a genocidal rampage - tsk, tsk.

          (/s - for the people on here that aren’t rabid white supremacists like the one I’m responding to)

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      I got temp banned from lemmy.ml for saying that. Basically said “except Ukraine didn’t attack Russia first”, then got the banhammer. A quick Google on their point (cant even remember what it was) and I knew it was bullshit. I blocked lemmy.ml right after

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      I mean… yeah if you count back to the time after Hamas’s creation.

      why do you think Hamas exists at all lol?

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        It doesn’t matter as long as their are not doing what is better for them, or Palestinians. Spoiler: attacking Israel like they did on October 7th was not going to do any good.

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          Attacking Palestinians now will not do any good. Hamas is not good and committed a terrorist act. An atrocity. Hundreds injured and dead.

          Palestine has 7000 dead including 3000 children from just this month. More children dead than any entire year of any other war of the last 3 years, including Ukraine.

          There are over a hundred times as many dead Palestinian kids as Israeli. We should mourn both, but we should keep in contact the numbers too.

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            Attacking Palestinians now will not do any good.

            Attacking hamas will. It was done before and it helped with stopping attacks, for a while but still.

            Palestine has 7000 dead including 3000 children from just this month.

            That information comes from hamas. Terrorists should not be trusted. It’s enough to know that there are casualties. Even one death is a tragedy.

            And no, these are not exactly comparable. Russia has no good reasons to invade Ukraine. Israel has good reasons to invade Gaza.

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              Attacking Hamas is not happening, but nobody denies that attacking Hamas is justified. Attacking Palestinians in general as an alternative in the hope that some of Hamas is swept up is a war crime.

              That information comes from the Palestinians health authority which is considered pretty accurate. Every death is a tragedy, yes, so 3000 kids tragedies is 100 times the tragedies of the 30.

              Israel does not have good reason to “invade” Gaza. They are using terrorist attacks to justice genocide. Genocide is never justified.

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                I don’t think your assumption that Israel can only “attack Palestinians in hopes to harm hamas” is correct. They wouldn’t warn anyone otherwise and we know they did that a lot of times. Also their counter strikes would’ve been much more effective if they wouldn’t do that.

                There are no authorities in Gaza except hamas. Gaza is fully controlled by terrorists. If there would be such an authority I’m sure they wouldn’t allow building military objects under hospitals.

                They are using terrorist attacks to justice genocide.

                Think you mistyped “justify”. Israel doesn’t need to justify defending from terrorists. Hamas, on the other hand, has a record of using Palestinians as a shield and not caring to protect them at all.

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                  Hamas using them as a shield does not make killing them right.

                  Israel is not defending itself from terrorism. It is retaliation for a terrorist attack.

                  They do have some intelligence as to where Hamas use as locations etc however rules of war require they take precautions to minimise civilian casualties. They give some warnings as this gives plausible deniability that they are taking precautions. The number of dead civilians versus confirmed Hamas killed tells a different story. Telling people to leave but closing the border tells a different story. Telly people to leave one area then bombing the path they were told to take tells a different story.

                  Hamas is the de facto government, but Palestine is not recognized as a state so there is not really a government, as most in other countries would know it, especially western counyries. Guess who is preventing normalisation of their sovereignty? Last elections were 17 years ago. The youngest people to vote are now over 35. 50% of the population is under 18. So, the legitimacy of saying they voted for this is spurious at best. Remember Israel and netamyahu in particular stifled their competitors.

                  Incessant bombing of civilians is creating more terrorists, not less. That doesn’t make it right, but to make out like Israel is defending itself while killing thousands of children is ridiculous. Israel as a state is a de facto terrorist state too at this point

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                    Hamas using them as a shield does not make killing them right.

                    It makes hamas responsible for their death. Otherwise, you are suggesting leaving alone terrorists who asked you to not bomb them, and who will still proceed to bomb you.

                    Israel is not defending itself from terrorism. It is retaliation for a terrorist attack.

                    Hamas launched rockets regularly. And you’re saying Israel only now started to retaliate? They must be very lazy, yes? Or maybe it’s because they have been shown they had to do it, as defending-only way no longer works.

                    They give some warnings as this gives plausible deniability that they are taking precautions.

                    Wow, people do what they have to do and you are saying they are doing it with malicious intention.

                    The number of dead civilians versus confirmed Hamas killed tells a different story.

                    What versus what exactly? One side is Israel who is monitored by the whole world, and the other is a territory controlled by terrorists. Numbers coming from the latter are useless without further confirmations.

                    Telling people to leave but closing the border tells a different story.

                    Did Israel close the border? I know Egypt did. Can’t blame Israel if they did so.

                    Telly people to leave one area then bombing the path they were told to take tells a different story.

                    Proceed to demand explanation if you like. I doubt they would waste resources to do something that useless.

                    Hamas is the de facto government, but Palestine is not recognized as a state so there is not really a government, as most in other countries would know it, especially western counyries. Guess who is preventing normalisation of their sovereignty?

                    If they really wanted to become a proper country with proper government they would at least try. Instead they are focused on trying to do the impossible - winning the war versus Israel, using stones and sticks.

                    Last elections were 17 years ago. The youngest people to vote are now over 35. 50% of the population is under 18. So, the legitimacy of saying they voted for this is spurious at best.

                    Those are useless details that can’t justify anything.

                    Remember Israel and netamyahu in particular stifled their competitors.

                    Irrelevant. You are proposing basically that hamas is the best Palestinians can get, and I strongly disagree.

                    Incessant bombing of civilians is creating more terrorists, not less. That doesn’t make it right, but to make out like Israel is defending itself while killing thousands of children is ridiculous. Israel as a state is a de facto terrorist state too at this point

                    • this is not what Israel wants or tries to do.
                    • hamas created situations where civillians are located near places they launch rockets from.
                    • hamas also created situation where Palestinians are not protected at all from any (counter)attacks. They say this is a responsibility of others which is ridiculous.
                    • hamas can stop the whole thing by surrendering.
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      I take it you think this “war” started when Hamas attacked them this year?

      Israel has been occupying Palestine for decades.

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        Aggression. Aggression that showed Israel’s way of defense can no longer work and that terrorists won’t stop.

        As for the occupation, there is no use in arguing because the bigger issue is logic. It was obvious from the start that this action would not have chances to bring any good end to the situation for Palestinians. No matter what real or fake reasons are, it was foolish. Attacking Israel because of occupation (with weapons like that) is like stabbing yourself with a knife because you have a flu.

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          Oh so only the Israelis are allowed to show aggression? The Palestinians just have to take it in silence?

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            Until they have a chance to actually change anything for good for themselves - yes. Palestinians couldn’t unsteal the lands so October 7th was useless. Israel will be able to prevent terrorists attack for a few years so the ground operation is not useless

            Or, hamas could just surrender and release all hostages to immediately stop what’s happening right now.

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                Deranged an inhuman is to do terrorism, knowing that not only people are going to die, but your people are, too, going to die and suffer as a result. There is zero “protection” or “justice” in these actions and trying to justify them with anything like “but they are occupiers so it’s okay to attack them” is beyond foolish.

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                  Expecting humans to act like robots is quite literally inhuman. They’re pissed off and desperate. That has not not ever in human history resulted in negotiations. This entire line of reasoning is only meant to make Palestinians look like violent savages when the reality is this is how Apartheid and anti colonial struggles have always looked.

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                    Expecting humans to act like robots is quite literally inhuman.

                    Expecting humans to not resort to useless terrorism is nothing like that.

                    They’re pissed off and desperate.

                    Doesn’t mean they can kill anyone and remain unaffected by consequences.

                    That has not not ever in human history resulted in negotiations.

                    I’m not sure I understand this sentence. What is “that”? What is “not not”?

                    This entire line of reasoning is only meant to make Palestinians look like violent savages when the reality is this is how Apartheid and anti colonial struggles have always looked.

                    I’m not even trying to make Plaestinians look bad and I know some of them really want to kill (some did killed) jews in order to become heroes. They are victims of hamas in several ways, but it doesn’t save them. Why? Because Gaza is at war, and, as a war participant, it’s unique in how it doesn’t care about its civilians during a war. Hamas’ only defense is hostages, and Palestinians are not much different from hostages. That’s why there may be a lot of casualties, not because Israel is “a bloody monster” or whatever.

                    I think everyone should drop the whole apartheid/colonialism thing and realize that it can’t be solved with current hamas’ approach. Maybe it could be solved if Gaza cared to make itself a proper country, to become independent, sustainable and responsible. Maybe also abandoning radical religion could help.