Im not even sure it will work. Tf are the euros supposed to do? They don’t have any industry. America certainly doesn’t either. Not in what matters. Where are they supposed to get stuff from? China is the majority of the entire worlds industrial capacity it’s not like they can just replace it easy peasy with some other trade partner. Are the euros just going to agree to give up all their toys, and even essentials to make the americans happy? What exactly is the sell there? “You get to keep selling us like the 5 things you sell to us if you give up pretty much every modern amenity an industrial society provides.”
This to me smells like when they “stopped buying russian gas.” but didn’t actually stop buying russian gas and just pretended to.
Please give up on this, your hope for europe to do the reasonable thing is completely unreasonable. They will try and be slimy about it and pretend like they have stopped Chinese trade somehow…
I’m with you on this. In post-WWII, the US had strong global positioning, while many others had been ravaged by the war. But now, the US mostly seems to be riding on pre-existing benefits from that post-WWII global positioning. China is pulling ahead in technology and has a huge influence over global supply chains, while also not being hyper dependent on external trade like the US is. And China is also not bearing down on other countries, demanding they change their ways and pay protection fees. So if someone is an EU oligarch or whatever, they’re gonna get far more stability for much longer siding with China.
Its also just like not economically viable. America too. Europe and America are extremely financialized economies. They don’t produce anything of value. They can coast of what they have for awhile, but eventually stuff is gonna start breaking and people are gonna want new toasters, microwaves, washing machines, fridges, cars, computers, phones, bla bla bla. What happens then? Those things don’t grow on trees. Those things get made, in factories, in China.
Edit: That is to say like even if they do listen for awhile. Eventually they’ll cave. So will America. I mean what is Chinas problem here? Oh no i have too much cool stuff! What am i gonna do with it all? Maybe sell to the 1.4 billion people who live here?
Meanwhile America and Europe are like, Oh, my grandma died because her heart monitor that was made in China broke and we couldnt afford a new one.
Yeah I would think that trying to cut themselves off from China to side with the US would just be a fast track to societal breakdown and revolution, communist or otherwise.
Exactly its basically a game of chicken. America is trying to make China give in fast because the longer this goes on the worse it is for America. So they want the Euros to help put pressure on them. Thing is China knows this and is ready to wait out their tantrum. Americas gonna lose big time.
Im not even sure it will work. Tf are the euros supposed to do? They don’t have any industry. America certainly doesn’t either. Not in what matters. Where are they supposed to get stuff from? China is the majority of the entire worlds industrial capacity it’s not like they can just replace it easy peasy with some other trade partner. Are the euros just going to agree to give up all their toys, and even essentials to make the americans happy? What exactly is the sell there? “You get to keep selling us like the 5 things you sell to us if you give up pretty much every modern amenity an industrial society provides.”
This to me smells like when they “stopped buying russian gas.” but didn’t actually stop buying russian gas and just pretended to.
I hope to goodness that Europe shows a tiny bit of spine, but I wouldn’t hold my breath
Please give up on this, your hope for europe to do the reasonable thing is completely unreasonable. They will try and be slimy about it and pretend like they have stopped Chinese trade somehow…
That’s 99 percent what I’m expecting.
I suppose luck is a factor I shouldn’t ignore while conducting DM. Thanks comrade
I’m with you on this. In post-WWII, the US had strong global positioning, while many others had been ravaged by the war. But now, the US mostly seems to be riding on pre-existing benefits from that post-WWII global positioning. China is pulling ahead in technology and has a huge influence over global supply chains, while also not being hyper dependent on external trade like the US is. And China is also not bearing down on other countries, demanding they change their ways and pay protection fees. So if someone is an EU oligarch or whatever, they’re gonna get far more stability for much longer siding with China.
Its also just like not economically viable. America too. Europe and America are extremely financialized economies. They don’t produce anything of value. They can coast of what they have for awhile, but eventually stuff is gonna start breaking and people are gonna want new toasters, microwaves, washing machines, fridges, cars, computers, phones, bla bla bla. What happens then? Those things don’t grow on trees. Those things get made, in factories, in China.
Edit: That is to say like even if they do listen for awhile. Eventually they’ll cave. So will America. I mean what is Chinas problem here? Oh no i have too much cool stuff! What am i gonna do with it all? Maybe sell to the 1.4 billion people who live here?
Meanwhile America and Europe are like, Oh, my grandma died because her heart monitor that was made in China broke and we couldnt afford a new one.
Yeah I would think that trying to cut themselves off from China to side with the US would just be a fast track to societal breakdown and revolution, communist or otherwise.
Exactly its basically a game of chicken. America is trying to make China give in fast because the longer this goes on the worse it is for America. So they want the Euros to help put pressure on them. Thing is China knows this and is ready to wait out their tantrum. Americas gonna lose big time.