Hey there, Betelgeuse (I’m assuming you’re that shoulder of Orion). I’d just like to point out that the democrats have deliberately and repeatedly tried a failing strategy of just phoning it in and trying to win on nothing more than “I’m not Donald Trump” and celebrity guest appearances. They knew they were fucking cooked, and I did too when they released that video of Obama lecturing down at black men for not supporting Kamala enough. If you have to lecture your base, they didn’t fuck up, you did.
No, fuck the party for not reading the room. Bernie and co. were trying to build an alternative, bringing the left where it should have been. The unwillingness to change brought defeat and they saw what the party couldn’t. Why can’t your see what? The dems would have lost with or without bernie’s support. You’re just butthurt their criticism was correct all along
Young democrats don’t exist. Young independents didn’t vote for dems because the dems offer them nothing. When people said bernie was the compromise it was the truth. He’s not far enough left to make the left happy, but was far enough to get votes.
You basically named the only politicians that publicly condemned Israel. I can’t say I’m surprised seeing one of the few zionists on lemmy disliking them.
And this is what, 5 times you copy and paste the same message, subtly implying the “genocide joe” people are the same as the “river to the sea” crowd.
There’s a difference between rightly calling out Biden for his support of genocide and calling for another separate genocide. We just want Israel to stop taking crowds of innocents and turning them into dust. It’s blatant what you are trying to imply, nobody here is chanting “from the river to the sea”.
The democrats lost because they gave their support to people like you, who want to hate and genocide an entire population, instead of the actual voters they are meant to represent.
In 4 of the 7 key states, Harris received more votes than Biden did in 2020. In the 3 where she received less, Trump still would have won based on how many more votes he got even if Harris’s vote count was unchanged compared to Biden in 2020.
This “Democrats lost because of Gaza” angle is convenient. Both sides like it use it. “Moderates” like to blame the “far left” for discouraging voters by calling out the inaction on the genocide. Leftists blame the moderates because they refused to actually denounce the genocide or commit to stopping it. Both side’s arguments are based in assumptions that do not bear out once you look at the actual votes.
I mean a whole lot of voters did put the biggest reason they sat out as Gaza. There was a poll on it by YouGov. Now let’s not get that wrong; Harris lost because her campaign was a shitshow, so blaming Gaza voters in particular is improductive, but even with a moderately good candidate it would’ve probably been close as they would’ve had to win without Michigan and Arizona.
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Hey there, Betelgeuse (I’m assuming you’re that shoulder of Orion). I’d just like to point out that the democrats have deliberately and repeatedly tried a failing strategy of just phoning it in and trying to win on nothing more than “I’m not Donald Trump” and celebrity guest appearances. They knew they were fucking cooked, and I did too when they released that video of Obama lecturing down at black men for not supporting Kamala enough. If you have to lecture your base, they didn’t fuck up, you did.
No, fuck the party for not reading the room. Bernie and co. were trying to build an alternative, bringing the left where it should have been. The unwillingness to change brought defeat and they saw what the party couldn’t. Why can’t your see what? The dems would have lost with or without bernie’s support. You’re just butthurt their criticism was correct all along
YOUNG DEMOCRATS DIDNT VOTE AND NOW ITS ALL GONE
Young democrats don’t exist. Young independents didn’t vote for dems because the dems offer them nothing. When people said bernie was the compromise it was the truth. He’s not far enough left to make the left happy, but was far enough to get votes.
really, 6 karma dude, fascinating take
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You can just admit you have nothing to counter with rather than trying to insinuate something about them.
Neoliberals will never admit that there’s any path for America but moving further and further right.
You basically named the only politicians that publicly condemned Israel. I can’t say I’m surprised seeing one of the few zionists on lemmy disliking them.
And this is what, 5 times you copy and paste the same message, subtly implying the “genocide joe” people are the same as the “river to the sea” crowd.
There’s a difference between rightly calling out Biden for his support of genocide and calling for another separate genocide. We just want Israel to stop taking crowds of innocents and turning them into dust. It’s blatant what you are trying to imply, nobody here is chanting “from the river to the sea”.
The democrats lost because they gave their support to people like you, who want to hate and genocide an entire population, instead of the actual voters they are meant to represent.
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Which “original” inhabitants?
Get in line.
Oh fuck off with that nonsense, what’s next “can’t be racist cos we all came from Africa”?
Who is meant is very obvious in reference to the peoples existing there before Zioni invaded.
I’d settle for just not arming any side and giving refuge to anyone who wants out.
In 4 of the 7 key states, Harris received more votes than Biden did in 2020. In the 3 where she received less, Trump still would have won based on how many more votes he got even if Harris’s vote count was unchanged compared to Biden in 2020.
This “Democrats lost because of Gaza” angle is convenient. Both sides like it use it. “Moderates” like to blame the “far left” for discouraging voters by calling out the inaction on the genocide. Leftists blame the moderates because they refused to actually denounce the genocide or commit to stopping it. Both side’s arguments are based in assumptions that do not bear out once you look at the actual votes.
I mean a whole lot of voters did put the biggest reason they sat out as Gaza. There was a poll on it by YouGov. Now let’s not get that wrong; Harris lost because her campaign was a shitshow, so blaming Gaza voters in particular is improductive, but even with a moderately good candidate it would’ve probably been close as they would’ve had to win without Michigan and Arizona.