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Mozilla has just deleted the following:

“Does Firefox sell your personal data?”

“Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That’s a promise. "

Source: Lundke journal.

  • ghurab@lemmy.world
    53·
    3 days ago

    They removed that question from the FAQ, but it still states in multiple other sections, in the same link, that they do not sell user data

    Am I reading this wrong?

    Edit: New FAQ

    Mozilla doesn’t sell data about you (in the way that most people think about “selling data“), and we don’t buy data about you. Since we strive for transparency, and the LEGAL definition of “sale of data“ is extremely broad in some places, we’ve had to step back from making the definitive statements you know and love. We still put a lot of work into making sure that the data that we share with our partners (which we need to do to make Firefox commercially viable) is stripped of any identifying information, or shared only in the aggregate, or is put through our privacy preserving technologies (like OHTTP).

    • TheObviousSolution@kbin.melroy.org
      86·
      3 days ago

      Ah, so it’s not that they sell data, it’s that they share data in order to achieve commercial viability. I don’t sell items on ebay, I share them in a commercially viable way!

    • Vincent@feddit.nl
      26·
      3 days ago

      I feel like it would’ve been really helpful if it had provided an example of something that legally counts as “selling your data”, but that any sane person would not define as such.

      • Carighan Maconar@lemmy.world
        1·
        7 hours ago

        I mean, yeah.

        Although it’s not difficult.

        Take online hosting. Say you run a sync service - fully encrypted - and you upload to a hosting provider. Now I’m not an expert on when you pay for it, I’d intuitively assume this no longer applies but it can get messy with complementary services. Say you rent an AWS system and you get a file upload space as an “extra”.

        Anyhow, you just exchanged non-anonymized user data (that it’s encrypted is irrelevant because you knew when uploading what it is it, so it was intentifyable and in fact that’s how you even knew what to upload and what not to) for a service (hosting) that can be constructed as payment for the data.

        Sounds absurd? It is. That’s why lawyers cost so much money. 😂

    • Croquette@sh.itjust.works
      14·
      3 days ago

      I am so fucking tired of PR speak. This is removed now so that they can sell your data later. That and the ToS change is the canary in the coalmine.

      “We akchually don’t sell your data because it isn’t the legal definition everywhere”. Fuck you

      • Carighan Maconar@lemmy.world
        1·
        7 hours ago

        Interesting, did you go check the merge request? Because I quote:

        We believe the internet is for people, not profit. Unlike other companies, we don’t sell access to your data. You’re in control over who sees your search and browsing history.

        Yes, that’s from post-change.

        • Croquette@sh.itjust.works
          1·
          2 hours ago

          Have you looked through the proposed PR linked in this post?

          It doesn’t matter that Mozilla has backtracked after the backlash. It matters that they’ve shown us where they want to go, and its not good. They will try to push the change again until it works.