Active users as of June 25, 2023:
- lemmy.world (48k users): 13554 active users
- lemmy.ml (38k users): 4582 active users
- beehaw.org (11k users): 3743 active users
- feddit.de (6.7k users): 2320 active users
- sh.itjust.works (6.5k users): 2167 active users
- lemmy.ca (3.5k users): 1082 active users
Great to see all this growth and activity in different lemmy instances!
Good. It is important to have different instances to distribute the load though. However, I hope there are not many people joining BeeHaw…
I hope there are not many people joining BeeHaw…
I don’t hope that, exactly, I just hope that the people who join understand what they’re getting (and, more importantly, what they aren’t). I fully support a community with a different goal than most, and their goal seems like a wholesome one. I personally think it’s doomed to failure, but I support them giving it a try. They’re barely part of the fediverse though.
I agree. That’s the point of having different instances. Some of the original Lemmy instances had a very specific worldview and didn’t want to hear much else. I’d prefer they stay there to live in their echo chamber and I leave them alone, than they come out and start demanding the rest of us bow to their authority.
The broader fediverse sort of works that way. There’s a fediverse that’s really locked down, the sort of in between, and there’s the wild west, and the three coexist in different ways. I can disagree with them, but it’s their sandbox and I have mine and in that way we can coexist on the same platform
Perfectly put.
As an aside, I feel like this was the situation in the early formation of the US. Different communities and different states had different views about what should be illegal, but they all wanted the freedom to pursue their individual ways of life. There were basic tenants that everyone generally agreed to, but we created a paradigm where states could do different things, and you could move freely between them to trade and interact.
I feel like people have lost sight of that. Too many want to legislate their view of how people should live - to force everyone to live that way - instead of all of us during l supporting the right of others to do something different within those broader societal bounds.
There still some good instances that Beehaw is federated with, but my personal issue is that it feels very fragile. If a couple of bigots show up on other instances and the mods don’t delete their posts right away, will Beehaw defederate from them? There is a line between protecting your users and barring them from accessing anything you don’t approve of, and I think they need to figure out where they stand in regards to that line. Beehaw feels more like a small forum than a piece of something bigger.
Defederating because of raiding, harassment, bots, etc is 100% understandable but it should not be done lightly.
Looks like beehaw.org is shedding users. They’ve lost about a thousand users since defederating from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works last week. Maybe a bunch of people weren’t happy with that move.
They’re probably ok with that
As long as people understand the circumstances of that instance I have absolutely no problem with people finding the place they belong.
I just hope there are not new users who don’t realize they may not be federated with the larger community.
Why not beehaw? Did something happen?
They’ve defederated from both lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works. They’re still a good community, but I don’t consider them part of the fediverse at this point.
Regardless of what happened, beehaw is not for everyone.
They aim to be a safe haven for people that are afraid to be harassed for who they are. It’s a noble goal IMO but to achieve that, they have to moderate their instance quite heavily.
If you’re not their target audience, you’ll find it too restrictive.
They defederated with the some of the largest instances that have open registration due to the influx of people causing issues in their own communities and the lack of mod tools to address the issue. People are still pissy about it despite beehaw admins stating they will lift the defederation once lemmy mod tools improve…
They kept saying that they need more moderation tools. Does anyone know what they wanted that Lemmy doesn’t already offer?
A big one is probably mods being able to mark posts as nsfw, ability to set posting restrictions for users with new accounts, less buggy mod queue. As of right now it’s not really feasible for a small team to moderate a large community on lemmy. There was a multitude of tools on Reddit that existed that made larger communities run smoothly, nearly all of which just don’t exist here yet. Just general growing pains of a new platform I think.
True, but even a “large” beehaw community is small by Reddit’s standards. Couldn’t they just appoint more moderators? Lemmy allows mods to create more mods for a community.
I think the biggest issue they had highlighted (that I witnessed myself, unfortunately) mainly was people with clear bad faith intentions entering beehaw’s spaces designated for discussions of and about vulnerable communities and individuals that beehaw wants to make sure to protect as part of their community ethos. Discussions that were calm and respectful and didn’t devolve into chaos previously due to the barrier blocks in their community quickly fell apart due to large swaths of users who were able to enter the community without any barriers that would have been stopped quickly if they had tried to sign up to beehaw. Like, a lot of it was really was the lack of post restrictions within their local communities. An example off the top of my head, beehaw requires you to fill out a form to basically make sure you are wanting to join in line with their community policies. For those that get the false impression that they are asking for a large essay or were asking for censorship and get dissuaded because of that, beehaws admin seem to feel that is a good deterrent to those who wouldn’t engage in good faith within their community anyway. And it seemed to work on its own, but it quickly fell apart as huge amounts of signups began the surge across the two instances they defederated. Individuals who began to cause problems and enter the communities to troll, were almost all from those instances. It was a matter of they literally can only ban and delete, and with how the modding system in lemmy current system is, it was a losing game of whack a mole they currently cannot win.
I wonder, if lemmy.world is so unsafe, why are you here?
Where did I say it was unsafe? I was pointing out the dishonesty people have been showing in regards to discussing the reason why beehaw chose to defederate.
Where did I say it was unsafe?
Beehaw did imply that, the communication with Ruud was poor, and their “moderation” excuse is simply them acting in bad faith and you seem to agree with them.
They might have implied as such (I don’t personally think they did, but such an observation is objective.), but I myself didn’t in the post above, and to say I did is dishonest. For the record, I believe they did what they had to do with the limited options they currently have. And I did not like it. Hence why I made an account on here as well. It’s not a fascist regime, and I was pointing out the fact that the people acting like it is are being ridiculous. I directly witnessed the reasons why they defederated and quite ironically, an immense rise of interactions escalating precisely like this causing issues in their own communities and limited staffing to address such (especially towards the vulnerable minority communities beehaw wants to protect in ways reddit did not) in a short amount of time is quite exactly why they chose to defederate. Have a lovely day.
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I don’t think it helps your argument when you’re the same one qualifying those who, rightfully, think that Beehaw’s move is a dick move, as people being:
dishonest
and
still pissy about it
Whats wrong with beehaw? I got a couple really active, good communities from there in my feed
They block a shit ton of instances, not always for good reasons. Often to maintain an echo chamber.
Also lemmy.world is extremely slow in pushing out messages to other instances, if at all. So leading the pack is not necessarily the best thing until you figure out scaling.
Yeah, I’ve been missing a ton of comment replies from lemmy.world and it’s frustrating. I am wondering if it’s because they’re still on 0.17.4 instead of 0.18.
Yeah I think that’s the main issue. Hopefully 18.1 can be released soon so they can upgrade too.
Yeah, they should really consider not accepting new users until that is figured out, honestly. There are plenty of servers out there that people can join at this point. Too much centralization in a decentralized system for my liking regardless of instance scaling.
The server has already been upgraded 3 times. I’m sure they’ll upgrade again if they’re seeing issues. They might not know if it’s an external issue.
Is that what’s happening when I try to reply and it just loads forever?
That should have been fixed about a week ago, hopefully it hasn’t happened to you lately!
Here’s ruud’s post explaining: https://lemmy.world/post/288652
No I think that is just you telling lemmy.world the message which sometimes can get stuck. Only after the message was sent will other instances sync with lemmy.world if they are federated.
More users does not ALWAYS mean a good thing.
You are correct, but it at least shows that we are attracting more users (albeit, that doesn’t mean quality).
I believe its a positive thing though, as it shows that the “normies” are seriously considering alternatives; outside of us niche, nerds here for the tech and the anti-corpo mindset.
Well said. A month ago, I couldn’t even imagine leaving reddit because there was hardly a viable alternative.
Just showed up here. We’ll see how long I stay, but hoping this will be my social media fix each morning. If there are enough folks who feel the same, it will be.
I’ve been using it for about a week now, and it already is.
Of course, there’s a handful of subreddits that I miss and feel the urge to go back to every now and then, but I realize that there is enough content on Lemmy to satisfy me during my coffee breaks. And it’s enough to keep me from going back.
You are correct and Lemmy.World and others will experience growing pains and will have their own share of issues but the positive of this is that more users means more content.
That’s great and imma let you finish but remember that decentralization is strength on the fediverse. Join or create other instances, join or create communities on other instances, thats our strength.
On the fediverse, instances come and go. I’ve seen big instances go down either permanently or temporarily, and ive also seen big communities decide they’re turning off federation. The only way to be safe from that is to decentralize, so if something happens there’s still something worth doing on the fediverse.
Besides that though, congratulations lemmy.world, I love to see the thrediverse Renaissance we’re in, and nothing but love for the folks running this instance and the folks participating on it.
This dominance worries me a little. Luckily the communities are spread across instances fairly well
This dominance worries me a little.
I don’t think there’s much to worry about. Having large general instances is perfectly healthy and good for the Fediverse as that’s where people new to the Fediverse will land.
I predict that large niche instances will start popping up, one example already being programming.dev, and that’s simply because there are domains where you might need extra customization.
For example, one can imagine a mathematics & physics oriented instance where LaTeX is available, or a chess-only instance where you’d have things like chessboard.js to allow members to post chess diagrams etc… Basically a return to what we had with old-school forums except this time the instances would be federated.
For example, one can imagine a mathematics & physics oriented instance where LaTeX is available, or a chess-only instance where you’d have things like chessboard.js to allow members to post chess diagrams etc…
An interesting idea. But the problem with that is that the custom rendered content would not federate properly, so such communities would only really be usable to those on that instance, which destroys the whole point of being federated in the first place. Unless they were able to implement some sort of ‘graceful degradation’ so the content was enhanced on the main instance, but still serviceable on other instances.
Good point. I think it could still work well if the processing is done on the server, ie the specialized Lemmy instance processes the LaTeX equation and replaces it with a generated PNG.
Just from my own subscriptions there’s also startrek.website and dormi.zone (which is for the game Warframe). I think having an instance function like that is pretty awesome, if I want Star Trek or Warframe related content I know exactly where to go now.
Taking lessons from mastodon, I think server costs can really affect an instance’s decision of how many users and how fast to register them. Can’t blame them. lemmy.world just happens to have a pro admin who also runs mastodon.world.
oh yeah i remember mastodon.world, was my first ever instance i was on until i began to host my own instance.
NGL I thought Blajah would be higher given that 196 moved there
I kind of feel we’re riding the sweet spot on size right now. Seems like a solid amount of content but we’ve not had so many new users that there’s been any sudden cultural shift.
Probably a couple hundred dedicated posters. So many 196 memes on my feed and I don’t even know what 196 stands for.
196 is the apartment of awesome!
Welcome to the party!
Share something while you’re here it’s the rule.
We’ve got Blahaj, memes, LGBTQ+, and no tankies.
We recently had to change venue due to reddit shenanigans, but the party don’t stop until it all stops
Back in my day lemmy.ml was the biggest instance.
Last Tuesday.
y’all are cracking me up… time sure does fly by. i want to practice being present. that’s what i should do.
Account age: 1 week
Yep checks out
Now do me!
Account age: 2 years
Ok grandpa time to get you back to your home.
I joined world because it was the little one, with like 100 active users according to the stats on the signup page. Hmph.
We did it Reddit!
I’m reading from kbin.social. Does kbin get included in the stats?
No, these stats are specifically how many users are active that have their accounts on Lemmy.world.
Check this
dang 49k users and 49k active users
are these actually true?
Looks kinda funky. I’m not sure if kbin data is accurate.
It’s awesome to see the growth, but as a small question, why don’t all the instances upgrade to version 0.18? Maybe that version isn’t stable enough?
0.18 removed checks and balances to limit bot signups. lemmy.world won’t upgrade until this is in place.
Yep, so now I need to put up with Jerboa whining at me every time I log in. Just the latest in what’s likely to be a long line of teething problems. It’s really unfortunate that the same guy is one of the primary devs of both the Lemmy server and the android client, as it allows him to use one to put pressure on the other. He could E.G. make it so Jerboa refuses to connect to any instance that refuses to update rather than just displaying an annoying dialog like it currently does.
Try Liftoff it’s a pretty sweet app
Hmm, I can’t seem to find that anywhere. I checked the play store and f-droid but it’s not in either one, at least not under the name liftoff.
To clarify the vague “checks and balances” statement that you were given, it was the captcha feature. It will be added back in 0.18.1
how cool is that!
now they just need to update to 0.18. I’ve been back on lemmy.ml since the update. The scrolling kills it for me.
They’re not updating til 0.18.1 comes. The lemmy devs got rid of captcha in 0.18 and lemmy.world devs asked if they could add it back in 0.18.1 and they agreed so once that happens it will update. Said there would be too many bots without captcha.
Hello All, First time poster here. I would just like to say that i tried signing up for beehaw.org but they have some kind of purity test that reminds me of Reddit. Don’t ever sign up for beehaw, that is going to be one hell of a drama filled instance.
Ironically all of the drama and complaining seems to be coming from instances outside of Beehaw, being dramatic and complaining about Beehaw. The content there is actually good.
Really it’s just drama caused by the platform not maturing yet. Beehaw’s reasons behind defederating from large instances like lemmy.world are valid, but it’s not like other instances made them do it. It’s a choice they made to be able to create the space they want in lieu of proper mod tools. Hope they realise it won’t be an overnight fix, and the longer they stick to their guns the greater the risk of their communities fizzling out, which would be a shame as I agree they are some of the best.
Drama? Ooooh brb
Good time to appreciate the lack of dominant centrality here compared to mastodon.
Mastodon’s flagship instance run by the BDFL,
mastodon.social, has~10times the monthly active users of the next biggest instance.Here, there isn’t really a flagship instance, as the devs don’t want their instance to be anything more than the one they happen to run, and it’s not the biggest, and the biggest is independent of the lemmy dev team and isn’t even that much bigger than the others.
It does appear that lemmy.world is heading in the same direction of mastodon.social though.
That might also be a response to what users were asking for. Signing up for a server confused the shit out of everyone. It was to the point where Mastodon’s confusing onboarding process was frequently being covered by major media outlet across the globe.
Instead of continuing to iterate on sever selection experience, they just started to say “fuck it” and started dumping everyone into .social.
Which is the only way they’re ever going to work. It’s a major barrier to sign ups. If the fediverse is actually going to take off one of the Lemmy sites will have to become the dominant one
If the tools for discovering and subscribing to communities could be improved so it becomes dead easy to subscribe to communities on any instance from any instance, that might not need to happen.
Right now the process of having to search for each community and subscribe is too clunky. And if someone posts a link to another community it often comes up in a format that takes you to the other instance, where you have no account so can’t subscribe. We need a way to share links to other communities that incorporates an easy “subscribe” button that talks to your own instance.
It would be nice to have some index or search result page that lists communities on all instances, with a subscribe button next to each.
If these things can be smoothed out, it won’t matter too much which instance you have your account on, so that will be less of an obstacle to new users.
Lemmyverse.net does that really well, I think. At the top you can click the house icon and put in your instance, then whatever community you search for or find by scrolling through the list, you can just click on and subscribe
Yes, that is good, though there seems to be a bug in version 0.18 which means that when you click through the Subscribe button doesn’t show up (just the word “Subscribe” where it should be), so you end up having to search for the community anyway to subscribe. Once that bug is fixed though it will be nice and convenient.
Edit: I found another workaround: If when you first click through to the community the Subscribe button isn’t shown (for me it just shows the word “Subscribe” but it’s not a button), then change the “Hot/Active/New/etc.” dropdown to a different value. This refreshes the page and the Subscribe button appears.
