https://xcancel.com/pathofexile/status/1884769182409265253
GGG lied. They had said they were working on patch 3.26 and now say they haven’t even started it.
https://xcancel.com/pathofexile/status/1884769182409265253
GGG lied. They had said they were working on patch 3.26 and now say they haven’t even started it.
man why is every post about POE2 from POE1 vets like this. Every single one has to make it so anyone who likes POE2 doesn’t ACTUALLY like it, they’re just lying to themselves and to everyone else for fun i guess
let alone the fucking melodrama of ‘being unworthy of the name’ and it ‘stealing credit’. i guess even hexbear isn’t safe from brainworms if the game has enough skinner boxes in it
please i beg you to go outside. you’ve written an entire screed about how the only rational position is your own with no self-awareness while pretending anyone else is blind and too ignorant to have your superior taste for video games, let alone the fact you’re speaking like they’re literally taking the first game out back and putting a bullet in it when they’re merely pausing dev for a bit to focus on POE2 - you know, to fix the fact that its ‘not even a complete game’, considering it’s early access
i don’t want to seem like I’m completely reading into a stranger too much, but i think you really need to take a step back and contemplate why you’re posting in exact parallel to the way reddit is also talking about POE1 vs POE2, maybe you’re too bought in to have any other take than gamer rage
I did not say that people who don’t like POE 2 don’t like it. I didn’t say anyone is pretending. I bet that POE 2 players who never played POE 1 actually really enjoy it. I said that they don’t know that the POE 1 was better because they never experienced it.
Let’s say you’ve never been to a ramen shop and you try microwave cup ramen. Cup ramen tastes pretty good right? It’s not bad. People who go to the ramen shop might say, “Cup ramen is not bad, but I prefer to go to the ramen shop”. People who enjoy the ramen shop even start eating cup ramen on the side and recommend it to their friends. Okay but now the ramen shop says, “We’re closing down the ramen shop because cup ramen is making more money.” The people who enjoy ramen made at the ramen shop are upset because the quality of cup ramen does not match the ramen shop experience. The people who only have had cup ramen don’t really care because they never tried it before. They say, “Why are you mad, we still have cup ramen and I like that a lot.” POE 2 is the cup ramen. I’m happy that you enjoy cup ramen. I like cup ramen too but it’s not a substitute for the ramen shop.
And yes, this is a sign that “they’re literally taking the first game out back and putting a bullet in it”. The last POE 1 expansion was released in July 2024. POE 1 expansions have historically lasted for 3 months. POE 1 expansion 3.26 was expected to be released in November. POE 1 development has been delayed like 4 times now. In the video, Jonathan says that they have not even started working on 3.26. He also says that the expansion will not even be worked on until after POE 2 patch 0.2 is released. When will POE 2 patch 0.2 be released? March maybe? So they’re going to start working on POE 1 again in March? Does that mean 3.26 will be released in summer 2025? Two or three POE 1 expansion cycles have been missed in that time period. He doesn’t even provide any information about a future POE 1 expansion release in the video.
As for POE 2 being in Early Access as you said. During the Early Access announcement, GGG said that POE 2 will complete Early Access within 6 months to 1 year of the initial release. It has been 2 months since. We don’t even have a date or any information for Patch 0.2. At the current rate of development, do you think that Early Access will be completed within 6 months? Do you think that POE 2 will be fully complete within 1 year? How long will the Early Access run at this rate? Is it sensible to abandon a full game for an incomplete game for over a year? Time will tell.
you and I are literally not on the dev team, have no insight into progress beyond what the dev team say, and neither of us have ever made or released a game or a project of this size (unless hexbear is hiding some dark horses somewhere). Neither of us can answer this question with any amount of certainty.
And?
and then the people who really liked the ramen shop write screeds to the shop, nail theses to their door about how they’re fraudsters and liars, and of course completely ignore that the shop owners said they’re opening up again soon and just asking for some patience - it’s a very normal thing that happens
you’re right, you didn’t say they didn’t like POE2, you just said they only like the game because the number is bigger, not because of the game itself, my apologies.
attitudes like this are why I genuinely believe gamers are the last bastion of ‘The Customer is always Right’
I never said that I was owed another POE 1 expansion. I didn’t say that I was owed anything. There’s no “entitlement” here. I am not writing a “screed” for the devs. I said that the devs lied for profits. In November, they said give us money now and you’ll get a POE 1 expansion in February. They took the money and then there’s no planned expansion. That’s just a recollection of events that happened.
I make posts on hexbear for my own interests. Path of Exile 1 was my favorite game ever. I have made many posts about Path of Exile 1 and Path of Exile 2. If the devs say that my favorite game is indefinitely put on halt, then I’m going to say that it upsets me. I explained why it upsets me. You are telling me that I’m not allowed to be upset. You are not allowed to police how I feel.
At no point have I said you’re not allowed to feel upset. I admit I got curt with my last comment, but my points still stand - that in order to voice your disappointment, you’ve not only pulled in arguments about how the devs are lying (because they’ve moved back their initial plan of February, and then communicated that), but also arguments about whether POE2 ‘deserves’ to be called Path of Exile, treated the game like it’s stealing valour, and talked about how anyone who doesn’t see things the way you see things are at best ill-informed and at worst ignorant about their own tastes. I haven’t said anything about whether it’s allowed to be your favourite game, nor have I said anything to ‘police’ how you feel beyond pointing out that while I understand being upset, maybe it’s worth at least examining why all these peripheral points about other players comes into this for you.
It really follows the same line of thinking that seems to have become prevalent once again in the gamer space, that any time not spent on my particular thing is actively harmful to the thing I like - and not to put words into your mouth, but it really does feel like the end goal of an argument as presented here is that all the people who currently like POE2 decide one day ‘oh POE2 isn’t good’, all move back to POE1, and GGG falls over and relents and POE2 is treated like some bad dream - which is also why I believe it’s very ‘Customer is always right’ thinking. No other type of media gets this much push back or draws this much ire should something change between announcement and release, let alone a change that feels entirely reasonable, even if disappointing.
https://www.pathofexile.com/private-leagues/league/Settlers+Restart+xdd+Thanks+GGG
This is a link to join the POE1 Pohx Private league. It launched 2 hours ago and it will last for 60 days. A private league is a sandboxxed version of the game where you can only interact with other characters in the same private league. Pohx is a twitch streamer known for playing the skill Righteous Fire, a skill which will be added to POE 2 in the future. This private league has 18000 registered players, which is a pretty sizeable amount, though I think a typical poe 1 expansion launch has around 150,000.
Instead of arguing, I am inviting you to play POE 1 with active players and a fresh economy so that you can experience the game for yourself. If you don’t know what to build to play, go to youtube and search “poe 3.25 lightning strike”, “poe 3.25 righteous fire”, “poe 3.25 archmage ice nova”, “poe 3.25 hexblast mines”, “poe 3.25 power siphon mines”, “poe 3.25 holy relic”, or “poe 3.25 bama”. It is important that the video says 3.25 because builds from previous patches will not work.
Please try Path of Exile 1. Any in game purchases that you made in POE 2, such as stash tabs, are also accessible in POE 1.
Hey, look I don’t want to argue either - but I do have to let you know at this point, I have played POE1, bounced off it multiple times, have completed the campaign but haven’t gone back since. POE2 kind of is what’s gotten me back to paying Path of Exile, and while I appreciate the invite I don’t really think it’s going to sway me in the way you believe it will. But still, appreciate the offer and understand where you’re trying to come from - but again, it’s the assumption that I haven’t played something better being the only reason why I don’t necessarily have the same views you do, which I think you can see has not been a fair assumption this entire time.