You seem to confuse free education and healthcare, government control of essential resources (water, electricity) and government taking case of the poor and disabled to some authoritarian communist shitshow behind the iron curtain.
You seem to confuse free education and healthcare, government control of essential resources (water, electricity) and government taking case of the poor and disabled to some authoritarian communist shitshow behind the iron curtain.
You’re mistaking socialism for welfare state. Socialism IS the authoritarian shitshow behind iron curtain
Because it appeals to misguided people who have no idea what shit show it was.
Seriously, in Polish Sejm there’s currently no party with “Socialism” in the name. That brand doesn’t sell here
In reality the model you described earlier runs in majority of European countries - state run health care + state run or at least state controlled critical infrastructure + some welfare for poor - all of this financed by taxes collected from capitalist economy.
By all possible definitions it’s a welfare state
Most of civilized world outside of US works like that.
Well, woudn’t be the first time words get new meaning due to events in history.
In nordic countries using taxation to limit gap between rich and poor, keeping government control of vital resources, free government sponsored healthcare, handing social welfare to poor and disabled, etc. is considered socialism.
Right wing politics is the opposite. They want to privatise everything, leave the poor and the disabled to charity organisations that work on donations from people who care, don’t think the rich should be taxed for being rich. Basically minimising government ownership and control of societys money flow to establish truly free market.
The fact that you implement some policies that are socialist in nature, doesn’t mean that whole system you’re running is socialism. Especially considering that all these states run capitalistic economies at their core
Well, woudn’t be the first time words get new meaning due to events in history.
Thing is, socialism as a system has surprisingly almost no strict definition. The best I’ve ever found is “Democratization of access to means of production” or “State control of means of production”
By these definitions Polish socialism with its centrally planed economy was an actual socialism.
Yeah, my parents and grandparents lived through socialism in Poland. Heard enough from them to not have any delusions about it.
How americanized of you.
You seem to confuse free education and healthcare, government control of essential resources (water, electricity) and government taking case of the poor and disabled to some authoritarian communist shitshow behind the iron curtain.
You’re mistaking socialism for welfare state. Socialism IS the authoritarian shitshow behind iron curtain
If that’s so, why do political left wing parties name themselves according to authoritarian shitshow behind iron curtain.
Because it appeals to misguided people who have no idea what shit show it was.
Seriously, in Polish Sejm there’s currently no party with “Socialism” in the name. That brand doesn’t sell here
In reality the model you described earlier runs in majority of European countries - state run health care + state run or at least state controlled critical infrastructure + some welfare for poor - all of this financed by taxes collected from capitalist economy.
By all possible definitions it’s a welfare state
Most of civilized world outside of US works like that.
Well, woudn’t be the first time words get new meaning due to events in history.
In nordic countries using taxation to limit gap between rich and poor, keeping government control of vital resources, free government sponsored healthcare, handing social welfare to poor and disabled, etc. is considered socialism.
Right wing politics is the opposite. They want to privatise everything, leave the poor and the disabled to charity organisations that work on donations from people who care, don’t think the rich should be taxed for being rich. Basically minimising government ownership and control of societys money flow to establish truly free market.
The fact that you implement some policies that are socialist in nature, doesn’t mean that whole system you’re running is socialism. Especially considering that all these states run capitalistic economies at their core
Thing is, socialism as a system has surprisingly almost no strict definition. The best I’ve ever found is “Democratization of access to means of production” or “State control of means of production”
By these definitions Polish socialism with its centrally planed economy was an actual socialism.