With the change in political atmosphere I suspect they’re going to get a lot more leeway to do things we don’t care for. I wonder if they could lobby to make ad blocking illegal.
That’s what people are doing with sponsored segments.
My gut is that if Peertube had an ad marketplace that content providers would flock to it. But ODYSEE already failed at monetization. And then you’d have to have some kind of guardrails in place to keep people from hosting pirated* movies for $$$.
It seems like it’s already beginning. For one, Firefox is getting blocked more and more often as being “out of date” (it’s not) while a chromium-based browser is fine. My VPN keeps getting flagged as malicious (PIA). It’s getting really irritating.
I use PIA a lot, But yeah a lot of VPNs are getting flagged as malicious these days, to be fair there’s a lot of malicious people doing things on them.
Just have someone ask him what kind of ‘nasty things he thinks democrats use the internet for.’ He’ll start rattling off things that are way too specific and definitely projection.
Ok: PeerTube is interesting. But: in terms of replacement? No. non-viable.
The problem you have is multifold - and one of them is constant content availability, and total bandwidth. The value of Youtube is on demand streaming - you click a video, it plays, basically anywhere in the world. The other value is… copyright: Because of the way youtube is set up, you don’t have the same kind of copyright problems as you would without the back end negotiating and systems youtube as put in place. You can think copyright as it stands is oppresive and sucks -and I agree; but with the law the way it is - youtube is the best work around that is feasibly possible.
Mirroring all of youtube needs piles of terrabytes of new storage DAILY. and it’s in the hundreds of thousands as a low end estimate. You need the computational power to do the transcoding. You need the distribution of servers to load balance and avoid over saturating and d-dossing any given server cluster.
The reality is the Torrent protocol has been around forever - and there is a reason it never really took off, despite live watching while streaming was feasible: It has too many pitfalls.
And then, there is the content creator side: If you want to make money - youutube is kind of the place to put your content up with youtube premium sharing, ad revenue sharing and so on once you can monetize your channel. And while there are all kinds of BS in regards to what can and can’t be monetized - there really isn’t a replacement, not for the average person just getting started - and not if you are trying to build your following.
People also forget that YouTube ran at a loss for well over a decade.
And any new start up would have to compete with YouTube and their massive audience, and all the other sites. There’s a reason that Vimeo never made quite the same height, for example.
Copyright is the one thing I can’t think of a way to work around in a decentralized fashion. There is very little to stop people from hosting non-free movies, TV shows, or other people’s content. Community policing can only do so much.
The lack of proper copywriter policing prevents you from using their centralized monetization strategy. If you get paid to let them overlay ads, people will just record and repost your videos. If you use sponsorship, Sponsorblock will eat your lunch. You can try to do lockdown and Patreon; eventually, someone will copy and repost your stuff for free. Unauthorized copying ties closely with monetization. Without monetization, the lion’s share of content providers aren’t going to bother.
Most of the other problems are technical issues that can be solved, but there has to be a willingness to share a little more resources at the client level and enough money in it for people to develop the systems. The TB/day problem would evaporate if people had to pay a small amount for the GB of garbage they’re uploading to YouTube to get rich quick. I’m honestly shocked they haven’t added tiny fees for storage at their basic cost for the service. If your stuff takes off, they pay you for the ad view, if it doesn’t take off, you’ll be likely to remove the worthless burden from their system.
I think the biggest barrier on peer tube is the lack of easy monetization. Your average content maker is not ready to seek out a sponsorship and maintain that relationship. Vast majority of content we have out there is because people are seeking to make a few bucks.
With the change in political atmosphere I suspect they’re going to get a lot more leeway to do things we don’t care for. I wonder if they could lobby to make ad blocking illegal.
I find it infuriating that the “free market” doesn’t let me bid on an empty ad slot on my own videos and instead makes me pay a flat rate monthly fee.
They tried that, it was called Google Contributor. Nobody actually put their money where their mouth was and they shut it down.
That’s what people are doing with sponsored segments.
My gut is that if Peertube had an ad marketplace that content providers would flock to it. But ODYSEE already failed at monetization. And then you’d have to have some kind of guardrails in place to keep people from hosting pirated* movies for $$$.
edit: voice dictation sucks :)
No, I mean videos I’m watching. Let me pay the fraction of a cent myself.
It seems like it’s already beginning. For one, Firefox is getting blocked more and more often as being “out of date” (it’s not) while a chromium-based browser is fine. My VPN keeps getting flagged as malicious (PIA). It’s getting really irritating.
I use PIA a lot, But yeah a lot of VPNs are getting flagged as malicious these days, to be fair there’s a lot of malicious people doing things on them.
Google purposely gives you an issue when you use their search engine with a VPN. when that happens I say fuck your capcha and use duck duck go
Long live the Duck
or SearX, which by proxy uses the duck and whoever else :P
I recently dropped PIA because of it, super annoying.
I wonder if someone can “buy” records of Trump’s internet habits
He doesn’t know how to use the internet, he only knows how to post on twitter
coffefe hambrudereed bigly beeeblll mein kampf…
I’m fairly certain he just tell you if you got him doing his rambling thing.
Just have someone ask him what kind of ‘nasty things he thinks democrats use the internet for.’ He’ll start rattling off things that are way too specific and definitely projection.
You can. They made that legal in 2019.
Hopefully by then we have full mirrors of YT. Maybe PeerTube would be viable replacement
Yeah…not going to happen.
Ok: PeerTube is interesting. But: in terms of replacement? No. non-viable.
The problem you have is multifold - and one of them is constant content availability, and total bandwidth. The value of Youtube is on demand streaming - you click a video, it plays, basically anywhere in the world. The other value is… copyright: Because of the way youtube is set up, you don’t have the same kind of copyright problems as you would without the back end negotiating and systems youtube as put in place. You can think copyright as it stands is oppresive and sucks -and I agree; but with the law the way it is - youtube is the best work around that is feasibly possible.
Mirroring all of youtube needs piles of terrabytes of new storage DAILY. and it’s in the hundreds of thousands as a low end estimate. You need the computational power to do the transcoding. You need the distribution of servers to load balance and avoid over saturating and d-dossing any given server cluster.
The reality is the Torrent protocol has been around forever - and there is a reason it never really took off, despite live watching while streaming was feasible: It has too many pitfalls.
And then, there is the content creator side: If you want to make money - youutube is kind of the place to put your content up with youtube premium sharing, ad revenue sharing and so on once you can monetize your channel. And while there are all kinds of BS in regards to what can and can’t be monetized - there really isn’t a replacement, not for the average person just getting started - and not if you are trying to build your following.
People also forget that YouTube ran at a loss for well over a decade.
And any new start up would have to compete with YouTube and their massive audience, and all the other sites. There’s a reason that Vimeo never made quite the same height, for example.
Floatplane is feeling that. At small scale, they’re really a poor value proposition.
Copyright is the one thing I can’t think of a way to work around in a decentralized fashion. There is very little to stop people from hosting non-free movies, TV shows, or other people’s content. Community policing can only do so much.
The lack of proper copywriter policing prevents you from using their centralized monetization strategy. If you get paid to let them overlay ads, people will just record and repost your videos. If you use sponsorship, Sponsorblock will eat your lunch. You can try to do lockdown and Patreon; eventually, someone will copy and repost your stuff for free. Unauthorized copying ties closely with monetization. Without monetization, the lion’s share of content providers aren’t going to bother.
Most of the other problems are technical issues that can be solved, but there has to be a willingness to share a little more resources at the client level and enough money in it for people to develop the systems. The TB/day problem would evaporate if people had to pay a small amount for the GB of garbage they’re uploading to YouTube to get rich quick. I’m honestly shocked they haven’t added tiny fees for storage at their basic cost for the service. If your stuff takes off, they pay you for the ad view, if it doesn’t take off, you’ll be likely to remove the worthless burden from their system.
I don’t think peertube will ever truly be successful, because hosting and distributing video content is just extremely expensive as it is so large.
I think the biggest barrier on peer tube is the lack of easy monetization. Your average content maker is not ready to seek out a sponsorship and maintain that relationship. Vast majority of content we have out there is because people are seeking to make a few bucks.