Asking as there has been a few comments mentioning this with the new !stardewvalley@lemm.ee taking over !stardewvalley@lemmy.ml

!yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com for additional context on those recent events if you are interested

Also, an older post for more context on how lemmy.ml is managed: https://lemmy.world/post/16211417

Curious to hear other thoughts about this, as I’m trying to keep !simracing@lemmy.ml active, but might suggest to move it elsewhere if a lot of people prefer not to interact with lemmy.ml communities

  • GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.eeEnglish
    181·
    1 day ago

    Yep. Even if it’s larger, I’ll post in a smaller, non-ml. I don’t mind reading their stuff and them existing but with the seemingly random moderation shenanigans, I avoid it.

    • ALoafOfBread@lemmy.mlEnglish
      31·
      22 hours ago

      As someone on .ml I really don’t think it’s that bad. Definitely left, and generally pro-China, but not too extreme imo. Hexbear is pretty bad. I’m a socialist and I disagree with a lot of the stuff there. But .ml is very much not a true “tankie” instance, in my opinion.

      • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
        1·
        4 hours ago

        A lot of the issues people have with .ml are the practices of the admins.

        Though also when hexbear.net was defederated from so many instances, a lot of those users switched to using their Lemmy.ml alts - many are quite open about this fact - and just continued posting as they had done previously, despite that style being the very reason why hexbear.net had been defederated from.

        And when more instances - like lemmy.cafe - start defederating from Lemmy.ml, then those users will surely switch to alts on something like lemmy.world or Lemm.ee that are generally considered too large to be defederated from.

        A lot of innocent users get caught up in the cross hairs of this fight between tankies vs. anti-tankies. People using your instance as a platform to attack (e.g. brigade and otherwise spew forth toxicity) other instances, yet possibly behaving normally else wise inside the instance itself.

        Also, whether something is “extreme” or not depends on someone’s background context, and I would definitely say that the content on lemmy.ml is considered somewhat extreme for someone on America. Even/especially those who even consider themselves as “liberal”, not realizing yet what little that means on the international stage. The content is nowhere close to being as extreme as that from lemmygrad.ml or hexbear.net, but far more so than e.g. Reddit or Mastodon.

        So I hope I have adequately conveyed that it’s not your fault in any way, you also expanding to mean all the other innocent users on lemmy.ml, but I wanted to convey that yes, I would defederate myself from your instance in a heartbeat if given half the chance. Possibly you won’t even mind:-), but you seemed interested, so I hope I helped by writing all this out.

    • merthyr1831@lemmy.mlEnglish
      826·
      1 day ago

      US Democrat members get upset that the instance with 1600 users doesn’t agree with their opinions

      • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.worldEnglish
        153·
        24 hours ago

        Literally everyone else: “It’s bad to arbitrarily arrest someone for criticising corruption and send them and their family to labour camps.”

        Tankies: “That’s just, your opinion, man.”

      • Randomgal@lemmy.caEnglish
        418·
        1 day ago

        This is literally it. I hear so much hate towards .ml that I find it hard dtobelieve they are fanatics lol

        • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
          1·
          4 hours ago

          I found this in like 30 seconds yesterday: https://lemmy.ml/post/21605430.

          Not that the content isn’t true, mind you, but it takes a special kind of cognitive dissonance to constantly make fun of capitalism and the USA, then wonder why people in capitalist nations and especially the USA don’t want to come hang out there. (Hey, only we can say the bad stuff about ourselves, ya’know!?:-P)

  • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    194·
    1 day ago

    I see more content complaining about .ml than I see content on .ml worth complaining about.

    I generally don’t block instances, communities, or users, either. I just know I am capable of recognizing a shit take on politics anywhere and can move on without existential or social crisis.

    • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
      1·
      4 hours ago

      That’s bc you are an established user who knows their way around how to use Lemmy. Perhaps you even use Arch btw? (/s, but only partway, bc those of who enjoy the customizability of Linux really are a breed apart from the mainstream, in terms of our value judgements in particular)

      However new users to Lemmy find it very off-putting. Also, people in the USA are touchy, watching our democracy crumble before our very eyes - there is something like a 50% chance that it won’t survive even though the next year, regardless of who wins, but if it does, then we’ll simply repeat all of this again in the next one, and so on. So for those of us who watched e.g. Innuendo Studios’ The Alt Right Playbook, to now see those identical patterns of behaviors on display (by “tankies” or whoever), is more than a little disconcerting.

      And tbf, the likes of lemmy.ml is nothing at all on the scale of Lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net. So if you want to remain federated with some or all of those, then power to you and I am very glad that you can enjoy your time on the Fediverse.

      However, not all of us are in the same boat and some of us would rather only see the half of the conversation that we don’t have to mentally parse and decode what it means before we throw it away. Without having to block hundreds of individual trolls I mean. Ofc we are prevented from doing so since user level defederation does not exist, and the only instance I’ve ever even so much as heard of that blocks all of the big 3 is Lemmy.cafe. So rather than wait for Sublinks/PieFed/Mbin to improve, perhaps I should move there?

      Maybe this is all intellectual laziness? I dunno, I truly don’t, but also I don’t see the harm in allowing people to have their preferences met?

    • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      3·
      10 hours ago

      I only block communities. I don’t want to see half of conversations, and haven’t encountered a whole server where they refuse to admin properly.

    • Rivalarrival@lemmy.todayEnglish
      41·
      23 hours ago

      I just know I am capable of recognizing a shit take on politics anywhere

      Not when the “shit take” in question is the arbitrary, capricious, unjustified removal of thoughtful, insightful, accurate, reasonable posts and comments. You (generally) can’t recognize the “shit take” of removing good content unless you spend all day reading the mod logs.

      • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        3·
        22 hours ago

        No, but I can almost always check the modlog when a user complains about how their thoughtful, insightful, accurate, and reasonable post or comment was arbitrarily, capriciously, and unjustly removed.

        And that comparison rarely disappoints.

        • Rivalarrival@lemmy.todayEnglish
          6·
          22 hours ago

          No, but I can almost always check the modlog when if a user complains

          FTFY.

          The authors of thoughtful, insightful, accurate, and reasonable posts and comments tend to be the kind of people who choose their battles, and quietly walk away from communities led by power-tripping dipshits.

  • ChowJeeBai@lemmy.worldEnglish
    32·
    2 days ago

    Previously no. Now yes. Apparently got banned for inciting ‘peril’ against my own race because tankies don’t know the difference between ethnically Chinese and of Chinese nationality, and apparently you can’t criticize china in the forums. Throw in a few abusive individuals from the same instance shooting off the mouth and I pretty much said fuck it, I’m out.

  • SpaceCowboy@lemmy.caEnglish
    377·
    2 days ago

    lemmy.ml tends to have an immature userbase with immature mods. It’s a weird bubble of insane extremists that are all about ideological purity tests. They aren’t really interested in discussion and will ban anyone that doesn’t conform to their extremism. And their extremists are constantly edging towards stochastic terrorism.

    So needless to say, I’m banned from lemmy.ml, and I feel like that’s a badge of honour. But that does mean I won’t be engaging with any community that’s hosted on lemmy.ml.

    So if you want to have discussion that’s not about how super awesome the violent overthrow of the government of your country would be, I’d recommend not hosting your community on lemmy.ml.

    • OpenStars@discuss.onlineEnglish
      1·
      4 hours ago

      So what you are saying is that since you are banned from lemmy.ml, you cannot participate in communities such as Firefox@lemmy.ml, for reasons entirely unrelated to anything that you said in that community?

      Which means conversely that from your perspective, that entire community - and all others likewise hosted on lemmy.ml - are “held hostage” behind you either outright agreeing with whatever stance is taken by the instance admins, about whatever subject matters they choose to be the defining criteria for exclusion from the instance, or else at least you need to STFU about your true thoughts, about e.g. China, and capitalism, and Russia, and whatever else they feel like adding at any given moment.

      It would have been nice to have had a warning presented to you, wouldn’t it? Like when you first go there, have a popup or sidebar note saying “Warning: you must agree that neither China nor Russia is actively engaging in genocide in order to participate in this community discussion about… <checks notes> the popular Firefox web browser”.

      I bet reading the sidebar notice presented on lemmy.ca did not quite prepare you for that!?!?!?

      It would be nicer to segregate “political” communities and instances from apolitical ones. Except these days, facts themselves are political, and all we can do is suck it and swallow.

  • N-E-N@lemmy.caEnglish
    223·
    2 days ago

    I never pay attention to, or care about where a community is hosted

  • zod000@lemmy.mlEnglish
    192·
    2 days ago

    I have to say the responses in this thread are a bummer, but I’m not surprised. I signed up on lemmy.ml because when I read the descriptions of the various instances, ML’s “A community of privacy and FOSS enthusiasts” sounded pretty great and I saw a lot of technical communities that interested me. I didn’t expect the politics. I tried to make a new user on .world a few months back, but I seemed to get stuck in some sort of user verification limbo. Maybe I’ll try midwest.social since I moved to the midwest recently.

      • zod000@lemmy.mlEnglish
        121·
        2 days ago

        Dbzero and programming.dev are already also high on my list, but thanks for the recommendation. I’m not in a super hurry to move or anything, I’ve never been given a hard time on ML, but I hate to think I’m slowly being edged out of the wider lemmy experience.

        • tal@lemmy.todayEnglish
          7·
          2 days ago

          slowly being edged out of the wider lemmy experience.

          If your home instance is lemmy.ml and it’s just people using communities on instances other than lemmy.ml, then you still get the full experience, unless you’re committed to only using locally-hosted communities or something.

          If instances are defederating with lemmy.ml, then you’re missing content.

          I don’t know of an easy way to get a list of which instances have defederated with a given instance. The information is public, and I wouldn’t be surprised if someone has a spider, like the lemmyverse.net one, that gathers it. But as things stand, it’s easy to, given an instance name, know which instances it has defederated from, but not which instances have defederated from it.

          • zod000@lemmy.mlEnglish
            2·
            1 day ago

            It’s absolutely the defederating that worries me more than the blocking. I have seen talk about nontrivial lemmy instances mulling defederation enough to keep an eye on it though.

          • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            8·
            2 days ago

            I don’t know of an easy way to get a list of which instances have defederated with a given instance.

            there’s a website out there showing exactly this,but for the life of me I can’t rememeber the URL >_<

        • AmosBurton_ThatGuy@lemmy.caEnglish
          92·
          2 days ago

          .ca is good as well, the admin is top tier and very transparent with the userbase. I’m quite happy with my instance.

  • WanderingVentra@lemm.eeEnglish
    6·
    2 days ago

    Nope. I participate everywhere in the lemmy fediverse I can and never really had any issues with mods yet, which is surprising as I don’t hesitate to get into political arguments generally. Ive blocked users, but never an instance. I take everything on a community by community and user by user basis.

  • StrawberryPigtails@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    101·
    2 days ago

    I generally don’t worry about communities. Either the community is well run or not.

    Users, though. I’ll block trolls all day long. If I notice I’m blocking a whole bunch of users from the same instance, I’ll block the instance. So far that has only happened twice. Lemmygrad and feddit.ro.

  • alex [they, il]@jlai.luEnglish
    64·
    1 day ago

    I prefer to support smaller instances, but don’t have a problem with lemmy.ml specifically (whereas I do sometimes go out of my way to avoid lemmy.world)

  • WoahWoah@lemmy.worldEnglish
    188·
    2 days ago

    Yes. I find their gaming-chair leftism and obnoxious preachiness annoying enough to just avoid. My blocklist is filled with .ml users, and none of those were because of any political positions. It’s because they were annoying, whinging twats.

  • schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    668·
    3 days ago

    No, there are no instances whose communities I refuse to participate on. I have never blocked a community, user, or instance here.

    • njm1314@lemmy.worldEnglish
      121·
      2 days ago

      Oh man I don’t know how I would use this place if I couldn’t block communities. First few weeks I try to use Lemmy every single post was just memes so I’d end up blocking like two dozen communities to stop it.

      • spookex@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        1 day ago

        Not to mention just randomly scrolling in public and whoops, it’s a random porn clip brought to you by lemmynsfw