- cross-posted to:
- fediverse@lemmy.ml
- rustlang@lemmyrs.org
- cross-posted to:
- fediverse@lemmy.ml
- rustlang@lemmyrs.org
The problems faced and solutions mentioned seem particularly relevant to !fediverse@lemmy.ml and !fediverse@lemmy.world
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The ability for communities to follow each other can definitely fix the biggest issues in Lemmy. Unfortunately it feels like there’s always a high priority issue getting in the way, whether it be patching security bugs or broken frontend bugs or the sudden need in better moderation tools lately. Growing pains and all that.
I’m hopeful that some form of community grouping will happen soon enough.
I definitely think some form of grouping is necessary for a better user experience. I would be content with user grouping, but I would love to see an option that is more automated for users, like the community following feature the author mentioned.
I think I agree with their proposed solution
One issue might be that users lose some control over which communities they see content from. If example@lemmy.ee, example@lemmy.ca, and example@lemmy.ex are all connected in this way, but I despise something about example@lemmy.ex, I can’t follow either of the others?
Which could be solved by a toggle on the community. The next question then would be what the default is, and I think more content would be better than less.
The last issue is how much more confusing this will be for new users, which I don’t know how to solve because I don’t quite understand it myself
I think it would be pretty easy to sort in your 1+2+3 case. Let users natively ban instances.
Say you hate instance 3. If you go into the 1+2+3 thread, you will only be able to see or interact with 1+2 comments, as all others wont even load for you.
The tricky part is if 3 users can see or interact with your comments. It might be the case that you literally just wont see anything downthread if one of them replies to you.
That would work well :)
I think it would also be helpful to have a way to see only one instance.
Say for example, some regional variants of communities group up (ex. The Canadian community for X + the general community for X)
Sometimes you might want to see all the content, and sometimes it might be helpful to just see the local content. A toggle or custom view would be nice to have
They should make their own instance if they can. The devs cited Star Trek.website as the model for communities like fandoms. It is also cleaner as the instance can make several subs which have different rules and content.
The problem is that it requires money, either by the admins or through donations.
It strange because there is already the lemmyrs.org one, just not maintained.
They could just take this over and operate it
Just because one is open doesn’t mean it should be used.
I also think that, compared to Reddit, there should be a more collaborative relationship between the mods and the admins because mods can choose their admins.
Definitely
One has already been made an has some sizeable communities, but there are also multiple other large rust communities.
If they want to move r/rust to Lemmy, then just pick an instance and move, or start your own instance if none of the existing comms matches their needs, instead of all of these excuses.
Again, it’s really hard to get this through people’s head, but Lemmy is not a reddit clone, every instance is an independent forum each with their own different policies and moderation. If you don’t like the comm of one instance, you can easily move to a different comm on another instance with the same topic.
For different comm on the same topic to follow each other would honestly be a moderation nightmare, which is why I’m only supportive of user level community grouping (which would be more along the line of having multiple subscribed tabs. )
Programming.dev sounds like an excellent instance for it.
They have opened an instance there, but the problem the author discusses is the split of users between it and the general rust community on lemmyrs
There’s still a lot of people who will always stick to Reddit as well (as evidenced by a good amount of hostility in the comment section of the Reddit discussion on /r/rust).
Can you elaborate on why a community following another would be a moderation nightmare? It would be up to the moderators of a specific community to follow the other communities, if it became a problem, they could simply unfollow.
Sure. It boils down to “should I have the ability to moderate posts on a followed comm”. In the event of a rule conflict (removal, pin thread, etc) , which mod team gets to make the decision about which set of rules to follow? If you say “it’s up to each mod team to decide.”, then that would really be no different than crossposting which already exists in Lemmy, and each comm will then have different content anyways.
Let me put it this way, using a reddit analogy: do you think it would be a useful feature for r/gaming to follow r/games and r/truegaming on a subreddit level to centralize all gaming content on reddit?
I believe you can moderate a community on/from another instance, so it would be logical if, when agreeing to mutually follow each other, they also agreed to add mods from the reciprocating community?
The Reddit example could have worked the same, but the sub due to scale the equation is different and the benefit of the increased community size is less and the Reddit mods would likely see little benefit Vs the dilution of mod status.
It would up to the moderators of the community doing the following to follow communities that abide by the same rules. If a post on the followed community broke a rule, I think it is obvious that the instance following them should have zero say over what is done. If they disagree with the moderation of another community, then they shouldn’t be following it.
I do think in many cases this would be useful on reddit as well. I assume r/truegaming was made to separate themselves from r/gaming, but I don’t see why it wouldn’t make since for r/gaming to follow r/games and vice versa, unless of course they have differing rules.
As I was reading the blog post, I asked myself why a soft fork would be necessary and I’m glad to see they came to the same conclusion by the end.
This is the first I’ve seen of the community following communities idea as a solution to the separation of similar discussions among multiple instances, and I love it. This combined with the personal user curated multi-reddit ideas and we’re golden. I wish I knew Rust so I could help make it come to fruition.
