• masterspace@lemmy.ca
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    2 months ago

    Lol how about every pirate who fundamentally opposes the copyright system?

    How about everyone who uses Google and doesn’t want to see it shut down for scraping copyrighted content to provide a search engine?

    Seriously, explain to me what’s different at a fundamental level about OpenAI scraping the web and transforming the data through an LLM and Google scraping the web and transforming the data through their algorithms (which include LLMs)?

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      Google (used to) scrapes the specific details authorized by robots.txt and uses it to make your content visible.

      OpenAI scrapes everything it can technically see, ignoring robots.txt and feeds i to a black box and regurgitates it claiming it’s something new, that it deserves to be paid for.

      Quite different actually.

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        So if OpenAI complies with Robots.txt files then there’s no issue right?

        Because then they’re identical. Open AI spent a bunch of money building a powerful system they feed those results to, as did Google.

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            Actually Google tries their hardest NOT to point you to content. They scrape the data from sites and display it directly in the search results so that you don’t need to visit any site except Google. Their new AI answers that they are pushing on users are just another step in that direction.

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              Which is why Google is no longer my default browser. I’d be quite happy if it reverted Back to don’t be evil or just ceased ro exist

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            Literally every page Google shows you, where it also shows you those ads it makes money from, is Google’s content and it is derived from the data it gets scraping the web.

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              What the fuck are you even talking about? Making a list of website identifiers (names and URLs) so that people can go to them isn’t even slightly the same as making a derived work of the websites’ contents.

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                    Google has to scrape and process the entire webpage and analyze the content to figure out which links to provide you. The end result of them presenting you with those links is from them copying and processing all your site’s data, including when you aren’t listed in the search results.

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      Web search used to be about scraping the web to find and present other people’s work as just that… their work. Now the handful of websites claim ownership of the contributions of everyone, and at this point it’s just corporations arguing about who owns your stuff. Pirates will not win out in this argument, except maybe in the very short term.

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      Search engines provide source, they scrap for indexing, but your search gives a list of websites that matches that you will then likely visit. That’s a big fundamental difference.

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        2 months ago

        Yes they do, just indirectly, it’s how they monopolized the online advertising business.

    • I dont see why why being downvoted you make some very good points.

      Id actually like to see google shut down on copyright grounds. The innovation of necessity would drive foss search alternatives that just ignore said restrictions and most likly we would end up with a better product.