• humbletightband@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    8 months ago

    Not here to defend Russia, but afaik Russian soldiers earn about $2000/mo, which would be good for India if higher rank officers didn’t take a huge portion of it to themselves.

    Ukrainian soldiers earn slightly less - about $1600-1800, but I haven’t heard about wage theft there.

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      8 months ago

      Alright salary, but you are working 24/7 and you’ll have to get back home alive to actually enjoy it.

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        8 months ago

        Eh, your family will get compensated in the event of your death. It’s not really sustainable long term, but Russia has dedicated quite a bit of budget to this. There’s still fraud and whatnot, obviously.

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          I find the idea that the idea that people from another country tricked into conscription would get this benefit. If they got to this point by trickery, what’s to stop more trickery?

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            8 months ago

            The tragic thing is that, for some, it might be. Especially if they’re promised that they will serve in a supportive capacity, far away from the frontline. Once you’re there, these agreements don’t really matter anyway.

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              8 months ago

              The tragic thing is that, for some, it might be.

              To add a context here: since the start of the war, the poverty in Russia dropped from 22% to 9.6%. Of course there are both a factor of manipulation with statistics before the presidential elections and a lag between poverty metrics and inflation, but the number still blows my mind: more than 10 million people were elevated from the poverty.

              But don’t get tricked here: people were forced to poverty, and then the government gave away a few coins back.

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                Interesting conclusion. When I was half way through reading your comment I had just assumed the drop was caused by the poor being the ones sent to the trenches, dying as cannon fodder, and as such reducing the % of poor people across the whole population of Russia

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                  8 months ago

                  reducing the % of poor people across the whole population of Russia

                  No, no, no. Even Ukraine estimates Russian casualties as 400k, and they include severely wounded, pov, and Ukrainians mobilized from occupied territories. Russia has 120-140m people (there’s a conspiracy about how many people live there, but sociologists give this range). In the first COVID year the excessive deaths were about 1m. Hence the casualties, cynically speaking, is not that significant.

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                To add a context here: since the start of the war, the poverty in Russia dropped from 22% to 9.6%. Of course there are both a factor of manipulation with statistics before the presidential elections and a lag between poverty metrics and inflation, but the number still blows my mind: more than 10 million people were elevated from the poverty.

                I have zero trust in that people were actually elevated from poverty

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                  Why? The Russian government spends enormous sum on soldiers salaries, paying unthinkable $2000/mo.

                  What’s your point? They don’t really pay this much? Or maybe the war has elevated 1m families of soldiers, while it was compensated by other events?

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                    Not only do I not believe that people actually get that sum, but that their material conditions have actually changed for the better. They’ve made things better for their people during a costly war? Sure they have.

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          In Russia, your family will get a sack of potatoes in the event of your death, certainly not your unpaid salary.

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      What’s disturbing is that those soldier salaries are providing state money and purpose to Russian regions that never saw it before, so there lives are actually getting better thanks to the war. As opposed to the common belief here that Russians are suffering from war related restrictions, the majority is not, only privileged Moscow people may have their life impacted by international sanctions. Source: https://www.newsdirectory3.com/the-majority-of-russians-have-never-had-it-so-good/