• ZephrC@lemm.ee
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    8 months ago

    That might have been true a decade ago. I don’t actually know. I do know that modern init scripts for modern alternatives to systemd are barely longer than systemd service scripts though. So that’s kind of an insane take.

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      8 months ago

      can you give examples of some? Not trying to bd sarcastic, i do just want to see what alternatives are doing.

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        8 months ago

        Sure, that seems pretty reasonable. Here’s the init script for sddm:

        #!/usr/bin/openrc-run
        
        supervisor=supervise-daemon
        command="/usr/bin/sddm"
        
        depend() {
            need localmount
        
            after bootmisc consolefont modules netmount
            after ypbind autofs openvpn gpm lircmd
            after quota keymaps
            before alsasound
            want logind
            use xfs
        
            provide xdm display-manager
        }
        

        That’s it. That’s the whole thing.

        That’s a pretty simple one though, so here’s Alsa. It’s a more complex one:

        code
        #!/usr/bin/openrc-run
        # Copyright 1999-2019 Gentoo Authors
        # Distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License v2
        
        alsastatedir=/var/lib/alsa
        alsascrdir=/etc/alsa.d
        alsahomedir=/run/alsasound
        
        extra_commands="save restore"
        
        depend() {
        	need localmount
        	after bootmisc modules isapnp coldplug hotplug
        }
        
        restore() {
        	ebegin "Restoring Mixer Levels"
        
        	checkpath -q -d -m 0700 -o root:root ${alsahomedir} || return 1
        
        	if [ ! -r "${alsastatedir}/asound.state" ] ; then
        		ewarn "No mixer config in ${alsastatedir}/asound.state, you have to unmute your card!"
        		eend 0
        		return 0
        	fi
        
        	local cards="$(sed -n -e 's/^ *\([[:digit:]]*\) .*/\1/p' /proc/asound/cards)"
        	local CARDNUM
        	for cardnum in ${cards}; do
        		[ -e /dev/snd/controlC${cardnum} ] || sleep 2
        		[ -e /dev/snd/controlC${cardnum} ] || sleep 2
        		[ -e /dev/snd/controlC${cardnum} ] || sleep 2
        		[ -e /dev/snd/controlC${cardnum} ] || sleep 2
        		alsactl -E HOME="${alsahomedir}" -I -f "${alsastatedir}/asound.state" restore ${cardnum} \
        			|| ewarn "Errors while restoring defaults, ignoring"
        	done
        
        	for ossfile in "${alsastatedir}"/oss/card*_pcm* ; do
        		[ -e "${ossfile}" ] || continue
        		# We use cat because I'm not sure if cp works properly on /proc
        		local procfile=${ossfile##${alsastatedir}/oss}
        		procfile="$(echo "${procfile}" | sed -e 's,_,/,g')"
        		if [ -e /proc/asound/"${procfile}"/oss ] ; then
        		    cat "${ossfile}" > /proc/asound/"${procfile}"/oss 
        		fi
        	done
        
        	eend 0
        }
        
        save() {
        	ebegin "Storing ALSA Mixer Levels"
        
        	checkpath -q -d -m 0700 -o root:root ${alsahomedir} || return 1
        
        	mkdir -p "${alsastatedir}"
        	if ! alsactl -E HOME="${alsahomedir}" -f "${alsastatedir}/asound.state" store; then
        		eerror "Error saving levels."
        		eend 1
        		return 1
        	fi
        
        	for ossfile in /proc/asound/card*/pcm*/oss; do
        		[ -e "${ossfile}" ] || continue
        		local device=${ossfile##/proc/asound/} ; device=${device%%/oss}
        		device="$(echo "${device}" | sed -e 's,/,_,g')"
        		mkdir -p "${alsastatedir}/oss/"
        		cp "${ossfile}" "${alsastatedir}/oss/${device}"
        	done
        
        	eend 0
        }
        
        start() {
        	if [ "${RESTORE_ON_START}" = "yes" ]; then
        		restore
        	fi
        
        	return 0
        }
        
        stop() {
        	if [ "${SAVE_ON_STOP}" = "yes" ]; then
        		save
        	fi
        	return 0
        }
        

        That’s definitely longer than a systemd service, but you’d have to write an awful lot of them to be more code than all of systemd. Overall the entire /etc/init.d folder on my PC where all the init scripts even for the stuff I’m not using are stored is a grand total of 147.7 KiB. Not exactly an unmanageable amount of code, in my humble opinion.

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          8 months ago

          Its certainly easier to read than most old init scripts and I can see why some distros and openbsd would pick it over systemd for more control. I’m not likely to pick a distro that uses it anytime soon, but i can see why some do.

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            8 months ago

            That’s totally fair. I’m not some weird evangelist or anything. I just like options and think OpenRC is kinda neat. There’s nothing wrong with systemd, and honestly it’s more work using other options. Not for the actual init system, but for some of the other stuff systemd does. I’ve had to learn cron, and that has been… interesting. It feels like all of the documentation around cron just assumes you already know how cron works. I’m still not sure if I’m doing it right, but I’ve had a good time and my computer works, and really that’s good enough for me.