• argv_minus_one@beehaw.org
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    The whole point of Mastodon is to speak publicly, so I’m not sure I see the problem.

    Other than the server owner’s property being unnecessarily confiscated, of course. Such thievery is quite clearly a tactic for depriving defendants of the financial and other resources they need to prove their innocence in court.

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      How is a law enforcement agent staring at some workstations and computers to know what equipment was involved in the alleged crime they are raiding the facility for? If the FBI was raiding a home for child abuse and pornography, there’s no way they have the access or expertise at the time of a raid to know the server in the corner is only for Mastodon, the box over there is just a Linux firewall, and that box over there is a porn server. There’s no practical way to trust a defendant on site as to what is relevant to an investigation or not. I agree that unnecessary confiscation is a problem, but in general I don’t think the ill intent is there. I’m not a law enforcement officer, nor am I lobbying in any way for them, I’m just putting myself in their shoes in this situation.

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        How is a law enforcement agent staring at some workstations and computers to know what equipment was involved in the alleged crime they are raiding the facility for?

        That would be a valid argument if they timely returned whatever they don’t need, but they don’t, so it isn’t.

        If the FBI was raiding a home for child abuse and pornography, there’s no way they have the access or expertise at the time of a raid to know the server in the corner is only for Mastodon, the box over there is just a Linux firewall, and that box over there is a porn server.

        Maybe not, but if they’re not completely incompetent, they’ll have images of all of those devices within a day or two. They don’t have any legitimate need to keep the seized equipment after that.

        The cruelty is the point.

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          We’re talking about law enforcement agencies, not an IT department. Of course it’s technically possible to image a machine quickly. However, there are all kinds of steps and rules for chain of custody, transporting evidence, cataloging it, storing, examining it, etc. and a finite number of personnel to perform the work. Revisiting the child pornography example I used, fingerprints and DNA evidence on equipment could be quite relevant to a case. There may even be a need to examine hard drive platters (old school spinning disk, not SSD obviously) to determine if there was data deleted in the past. It’s rather simplistic to say it’s a matter of just imaging and returning as quickly as possible. I agree the equipment being gone often presents a hardship for a defendant, but arguing that it’s intentionally set up this way to inflict cruelty ignores the reality of investigations.

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      The problem is DMs. Having what appears to be a “private” communication mechanism that isn’t private at all might mislead users into divulging information that could put them at risk.

      • 🦊 OneRedFox 🦊@beehaw.org
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        When you type up a DM on Mastodon, there’s a little popup notice that appears next to the text box that says:

        Posts on Mastodon are not end-to-end encrypted. Do not share any sensitive information over Mastodon.

        IMO the platform handles informing users about this responsibly.