• ChicoSuave@lemmy.world
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    I’m loving how each post is some variation of an idiot trying legal sorcery without understanding what the fuck they are doing.

    “I tried the ritual of self ascribing my origin and PERSONHOOD scrolls but the clerk didn’t accept them and the CEO is ignoring me, in clear violation of the Foreign Commerce and Export act of 1799 as enacted by the original 13 colonies. I need a paralegal to show me where I went wrong!”

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    I just want to point out that international drivers permit is actually a thing. But somehow I doubt that’s what this jackass tried to present.

    Source: I have one.

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      What that should do, in my opinion, is only permit you to drive internationally, still requiring a passport to cross borders. The lack of a universal ID card is pretty much unique to the US, and they should get it sorted out instead of using driver’s licenses (not everyone is or should be able to drive!) and the incredibly dangerous SSN system.

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        It’s not even that. I have one, but it’s little more than a translation card with a fancy-looking stamp. You still need the original drivers license with it for it to be legal

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          So… you still need a passport to cross borders?
          *Laughs in Schengen* (we legally only need ID cards and they are not checked on most borders anyway, and each country’s driver’s licenses work in each other)

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            I’m also in Schengen, but the world is larger than the Schengen area and there are many interesting places to visit

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          I thought you were supposed to have your driver’s license with you at all times when driving a vehicle anyway. So I don’t see what the ID card does.

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            As opposed to a passport, it is the size of a banking card so it fits into a wallet. You can also count on every adult citizen of the EU having one, and they are supposed to carry it everywhere they might need it (the alternative is a passport or being ready to go to the police station if identification is required, which is obviously more hassle).

            As opposed to a driver’s license, it is held by all citizens above 15, regardless of their ability to drive. (You don’t have non-drivers in the US?)

            As opposed to a SSN, which is an immutable random 7 digits, it optionally contains a chip and comes with a (changeable) PIN so you can use a smart card reader and PIN (+ optionally 3FA) to automatically and securely authenticate yourself for government services, medical records, banking etc. in person or online.

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              (You don’t have non-drivers in the US?)

              A non-driver would get a state issued ID card which contains all the same personally identifying information but instead of being both a license to drive and proof of ID it is just proof of ID. The ubiquity of driving here leads a lot of people to use “driver’s license” when they mean “state issued picture ID” since it is a form of state issued picture ID so many have but it is not the only one available.

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              Wait I’m confused as to what we’re talking about I thought that the United States didn’t have vacation cards so a driving license would literally be the only identification other than a passport. But apparently they have this other thing which I’ve never heard of?

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                A US social security number, AFAIK, is a random, unchanging 7-digit number assigned at birth to all citizens participating in society (non-Amish), used as the main, often only, factor in authentication for online services. It was never meant for this originally and a great portion of them has leaked and the system still hasn’t changed.

                Of course, virtually all countries issue passports and driver’s licenses. Some have a digital identity system like the social security number. However, my country has ID cards that basically serve all three functions (physical+digital ID, border permit, driver’s license)* within most of Europe. I have only been outside the EU/Schengen area twice (after my country joined, that is) and my passport was enough so I never needed a vacation card. I don’t even think they are a thing here, but I guess you might need one from an embassy along a visa to visit Russia.

                * All Schengen states accept each other’s ID cards for identification purposes so a passport is redundant. Legal guardians can get a chipless ID card made for kids aged 0-14 for a small fee, cheaper and faster than a passport.
                Physical driver’s licenses are still being issued but don’t need to be carried within the Czech Republic since 2024 as the ID card is enough at a police stop. They are still required for driving in the rest of the EU (for now), and an international one is needed elsewhere. The optional chip can be used as the main factor for online authentication that is WAY more secure than the US SSN.

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                  SSN is now usually called “Tax Payer ID” to refocus it on its purpose (and to better support immigration). It was never meant to be an ID, does not issue anything that ought to be used as an ID, and has been discouraged for years

                  I don’t have SSN on my passport or drivers license and I thought RealID prohibited it. I do remember having to check a box for my drivers license to not use it but that was 30+ years ago. Sometime in the past three decades it became standard to not use the SSN, at least in my state, although I couldn’t narrow down how long ago.

                  …… and yet a social security card is one of the pieces of “ID” needed to get an ID in the first place. It’s just a printed form, not even laminated, yet we have to use an official copy?

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                What is a “vacation card”? Apparently hallmark owns the seo terms I tried.

                In the US, each state must provide a non-drivers id, maybe called a state id or colloquially a “sheriffs ID”. However since everyone drives, starting as early as 15 in some states, and you don’t need ID until you’re 18 (or leave the country), it just isn’t very common.

                We just got somewhat surprised by this, as my son was unexpectedly not motivated to drive. We hadn’t travelled out of country so hadn’t gotten around to getting him a passport (kid passports expire faster, you have to renew them more frequently). Then, the day he turned 18, we instantly went from not having to worry about it to he’s suddenly limited. I had actually planned a trip and realized too late (state ID takes 30+days to issue) that he had turned 18 so could no longer fly

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              That’s probably why the UK passport is written in both English and I think French.

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        There are non-driver IDs that are equivalent to a driver’s license, but don’t allow you to drive. The real issue is that these are state IDs. We don’t have any national form of ID besides SSN and passport

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          Yay for “RealID”? Let’s take the worst of both worlds: state issued ID that has to be compliant as a federal ID and be backed by data infrastructure to agglomerate it all to effectively a national ID

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            Yet here we are, delayed by 5 years to even require it as a valid ID for flying. So many wins with this system.

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      I thought all driver licenses were international. What am I missing? I’ve been able to rent cats cars with my driving lisence in any country that I have visited

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        First of all, really funny typo, I didn’t know you could rent cats! Second: it depends. In EU the national license is international across EU. But in UK (thanks brexit) I think now (or soon) you’ll be required an international driving permit to drive in EU with a UK licence. I was wrong, things changed since last time I checked, thanks for correcting me.

        It’s really down to the agreements between countries in the end

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        It depends on what license you have. Some countries have agreements that licenses are interchangeable but realistically they never can be because traffic laws will be different in different parts of the world.

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    Although I haven’t flown since the Real ID mandates, I’ve shown up to an airport without my ID and was able to board. There was some additional screening. Like if you’ve ever tried to do a hard credit pull online and they ask you questions like “which of the following vehicles did you own three years ago” style questions.

    It was a pain but I made it.

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      Opportunity to say that I also had this happen but it happened to my sibling who got their wallet stolen on vacation. They were a lot younger at the time so it was one heck of a thing to get on the plane. 30+ minutes each time just for TSA.

      Then they’d take them separately to ask questions. Only problem is, they had no idea what the answers were to 90% of them.

      “What car do you drive?”

      “Uh I think it’s a Toyota”

      ”Whats mom’s birthday?”

      ”Its in November”

      ”Whats your neighbors name?”

      ”No clue, but he’s old”

      ”What year did you graduate high school?”

      ”Im not sure, I think 2019?”

      It was a miracle we made it home.

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        I wish I weren’t held back by a moral code. How much money can be made duping these fools.

        Or I could pretend it’s a World PassportTM, but it’s really a cult deprogramming guide

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        Ha that makes me wonder how the SovCit scammers handle it when their marks try to pay with their pretend money, as it seems like this post might have done.

        I see the form is asking for specific payments, but how do they turn them down without breaking the illusion when they insist they take their coupons or whatever?

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          They probably see it as “supporting the cause” which EVERYONE knows is more respectable than supporting your children.

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        If you wanna be a dick about the status of your citizenship by all means go and do it, but I won’t take any argument from a deadbeat parent seriously no matter what you’re arguing. I’m just going to think you need to pay your child support and your an idiot until you do.

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        Oh dear lord.

        Yes ma’am, the labels here, here and here on my anti depressant, anti psychotic and heart condition pill bottles are actually valid and equivalent to a passport to all other countries in the world, and no, I am not crazy.

        Yep. Im sure that will work well. JFC.