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    10 months ago

    Exile as punishment for a crime and keeping slaves is distinct from having a border with border controls.

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      10 months ago

      Ostracism only required a vote, no crime, and no defense was allowed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostracism

      The penalty for returning was death.

      Presumably even though there were no border controls, they would kill you if you returned.

      Honestly, I’m not sure what the fixation with a guy in a booth is about. Whether you get denied entry and they throw you out, or if they exile or ostracize you, what’s the difference?

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          But if you can throw people out, and kill them when they come back why is it that different?

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            10 months ago

            Denying entry to random people is different than telling someone to leave?

            Imagine the difference between a bar with a bouncer at the door and a bar without, and then apply that principle at a much larger scale.

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              Honestly, it seems the same. If a bar doesn’t want Jews in it and the bartender asks everyone if they’re Jewish or a bouncer at the door feels like a distinction without a difference.

              There’s no additional liberty, the people who own the bar set the rules.

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                10 months ago

                But it makes it much harder to control who is in a space, which means in practice there are additional liberties.