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    10 months ago

    The Jews were going to end up somewhere after WW2. Their ancestral homeland won out. They also had the backing of major Western powers.

    Nations fall and nations rise, such is life. Don’t be on the wrong side of his . Jews all over the Middle East have been pushed out of their communities since Israel was founded. Sucks for them as well, once again don’t be on the wrong side of history.

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        10 months ago

        No just real politik. Nations and people act in their own self interest and influence the world around them to the best of their abilities.

        Facism is just stupid.

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          10 months ago

          An apartheid state committing a genocide to create an ethnostate is acceptable self-interest? This isn’t self-defence - particularly when Israel backed Hamas over the secular moderates to create the pretext for this. Netanyahu is getting Israelis killed by both Hamas and the IDF.

          I agree - Israel and the Nazis are stupid and monstrous, which is why I condemn both. What’s the material difference between the far-right, genocidal fascist ethnostates Israel and Nazi Germany as far as you’re concerned?

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            10 months ago

            Well shut it down boys we’ve gone full circle. Israelis are killing themselves by killing the people responsible for…killing them.

            That is perhaps the most convoluted display of mental gymnastics I’ve ever seen.

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              You still haven’t explained the meaningful difference between Israel’s genocide in advancement of a fascist ethnostate and Hitler’s genocide in advancement of a fascist ethnostate.

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                10 months ago

                I’ve stated it multiple times in this thread. Here is a copy paste from earlier:

                Sucks to be on the wrong side of history. No one wants to loose their communities, property or livelihoods. However the Jews had a claim to the area going back thousands of years and they needed to go somewhere.

                There were many Jewish communities across the Middle East prior to the 1940s that no longer exist anymore either. I wonder who pushed them out… do they get the same sentiment from your bleeding heart?

                There have been two state solutions on the table with Jerusalem as the Palestinian capital on the table multiple times. Palestinians turned every one of them down. Instead of building their own state they will be further pushed out of Gaza. Where they go is anyones guess no one wants them, especially other Muslim states.

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution

                Let me know if this is clear enough or if I should draw something with a crayon for you.

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                  Blood and soil was a Nazi argument - the fact that you’re unable to differentiate yourself from Hitler in any meaningful way should give you motivation for self-reflection. You’ve had multiple opportunities to do this, and failed miserably.

                  Much like Putin’s efforts to negotiate with Ukraine being conditional on full surrender and de-armament, Israel haven’t made anything resembling a good faith effort to negotiate. In any case, if they wanted reasonable negotiations, they wouldn’t have helped jihadists secure power in Palestine, displacing secular moderates.

                  You don’t have the charisma to convincingly sell your Nazi talking points. I’d suggest committing to the bit and copying Hitler’s exit strategy like you’ve copied his prescriptions, methods, and talking points.

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                    Yeah chief, the only person quoting Hitler or the Nazi’s in this entire thread is you.

                    You either have fetishized Nazi’s to a degree that you can’t separate your fetish from reality or you’re just projecting.

                    Either way you can fuck right off.

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              You’ve seen the reports of the IDF killing shirtless Israeli hostages waving white flags and speaking Hebrew because they’re tripping over themselves to kill as many Palestinians as possible. The IDF themselves admitted to this.

              Israel funded Hamas over secular orgs (widely and credibility reported) to create the pretext for this genocide.

              Where’s the mental gymnastics, Jitler? While you’re at it, you can explain why the far right wing, genocidal fascist ethnostatists are bad when they’re Nazis, but not Israelis. Easy for me - refer to my description of both.

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      Israel is gonna wipe out everyone who was currently there, if you don’t like that you’re on the wrong side of history. Understood, all hail lord Netanyahu!

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        You don’t have to like it. The Palestinians could have made different decisions to prevent the current conflict (like don’t support terrorist organizations who will sneak attack civilians on a holiday as your method of government).