And their planes made with scrap parts are still flying around.
Edit: A lot of new .world users showing up with ChatGPT responses about how this was a conspiracy, reminds me of an article i read this week.
https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/657978/reddit-ai-experiment-banned
a lot of .world users say this was a conspiracy
Well. It is a conspiracy. A conspiracy theory, even! I have a very compelling theory that Boeing conspired to kill that guy.
Just because it’s a conspiracy (we allege that people conspired to do something bad) theory (we don’t have absolute, provable-before-a-judge-and-jury hard evidence) doesn’t mean that it’s false. Also daily reminder that the CIA purposefully adopted the term “conspiracy theory” to convince the public to dismiss allegations that they secretly did something bad by associating them with Bigfoot and aliens. At the same time as they were secretly drugging random members of the public with LSD and watching them freak out and fall out of windows.
That’s one
But what about
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Jamal_Khashoggi
And we still deal with the Saudis like it never happened
It’s a very plausible conspiracy theory. I think it warrants way more investigation than it got.
sounds like America
I mean, fuck Boeing and the death still seems suspicious. But to claim that there was no police investigation is just lying. Suspect a cover-up or frame or whatever if you want, but seems like there was a pretty thorough investigation: https://www.wdbj7.com/2024/05/18/police-release-investigation-report-boeing-whistleblower-death/
there’s proof it wasn’t a suicide in the article you’ve linked there… well, it’s not the same as having the complete police report, buuut:
finger was still on the trigger when officers attempted to remove the gun from his hand. A police report states no fingerprints were recovered from the gun.
so, he wiped down the gun and bullets for fingerprints, and then shot himself?
sounds a lot like someone else shot him or put the gun in his hand and made him shoot himself (like by threatening his family)… and a shiny silver revolver is great for collecting fingerprints….
could’ve been an omitted detail… or soaked in blood?they mention his fingerprints were found all over his notebook, so that seems pretty inconsistent….
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i’ll just go smoke my Sherlock Holmes pipe now….You’ve misread the passive language here. ‘no prints were recovered’ can mean that they tried to find prints and couldn’t, or that they never even bothered to try getting prints off the gun.
It could also mean no print were recovered other than his obviously which they may have just not bothered to mention
Yeah that’s the obvious answer here, his finger was on the gun so his prints were there too…
Also, people need to understand that not everything you touch will 100% have your fingerprints.
I’ll admit, this irks me in mystery shows. Those don’t seem like something you’d reliably get.
“Sir, just as you predicted, we found the kitchen knife in the third drainage grate of the northern side of the city sewage system, wrapped loosely in five layers of cheesecloth, wadded with human waste. And, we’ve performed a DNA and fingerprint analysis on the handle. The prints perfectly match your suspect, sir!”
i didn’t, i noted that the presence of prints on the notebook implies an effort to obtain fingerprints on things. the gun description is particularly good for collecting prints, and i know all sorts of random things could explain that otherwise… i do find it curious, however
Let me get this straight. You think somebody else wiped down the fingerprints on the gun, shot him, and then stuck his finger on the trigger without thinking about creating any fingerprints? Does seem like someone half-assed the wrong step of that operation…
seems like it…
Somebody wiped it. Even if the victim had prior to the act, there would still be his prints. So it seem to have been wiped after the shot.
like by threatening his family
Exactly. Boeing investors/management maybe didn’t kill anybody. They simply asked him if he loved $familyMember1 ($age, $location, $bestFriend), $familyMember2 ($age, $location…)…
i sure wouldn’t like to see anything bad happen to family[1…n]
An unpopular opinion, but I’m not buying a conspiracy either. The guy wanted to hurt Boeing, had just finished testifying and saw the writing on the wall that Boeing was going to walk, and decided to kill himself as a last stab at bringing attention to it. Worked like a charm too.
It’s only unpopular because every time someone dies that’s even tangentially associated with some corporate fuckery the internet instantly calls it an assassination. It’s absolutely stupid, but the hive mind seems to be geared to desperately want everything to be a conspiracy. No better than the conservatives making vaccines a conspiracy.
If only we had the refrence of past experiences to better predict how corporations act in the future.
Chiquita banana hired paramilitary death squads to secure their bananas and they were never punished.
Hell, just a few years ago the US couped Bolivia so Elon could have cheap lithium.
The bigger conspiracy nut theory is ignoring observable reality to make corpos the good guys.
Don’t put words in my mouth.
In no way shape or form do I view corporations as “good guys”. They are greedy, destructive on multiple levels, self-serving, cold, and often straight up evil.
Nobody here has observed shit except a someone died associated with a court case against a corporation. Everything here calling it a conspiracy is conjecture and made up opinion.
The hiring of paramilitary death squads and what banana republics are is a completely different and tragic issue that extends far beyond what a single “hit” on an individual is.
Don’t suck on the words if you don’t want them in your mouth lol
You picked a side
You picked a side
Yeah. They picked truth and honesty over sensationalism.
Spreading lies about corporations doesn’t help. They’re bad enough anyways; we don’t need to make up stories about them to paint them in a bad light, they’re perfectly capable of painting themselves.
The braindead people out there who fight against you understand that playing devils advocate means you are advocating for the devil.
It’s sad that the college educated are incapable of understanding this.
Equating whistleblowers being killed to vaccine conspiracies shows how well people have been brainwashed into state obedience. Any narrative goes.
Evaluating everything as a conspiracy shows how well people have become incapable of critical thinking and applying cold logic and skepticism to both sides of the equation. Any narrative goes.
CIA: “Mission Accomplished”
In this case there is no benefit of the doubt.
What do you think happened with Epstein?
He was not killed.
He did kill himself.
My suspicion is there were deliberate steps to take him off suicide watch and allow him the unsupervised time and means with which to kill himself. He knew he was fucked and his life was over forever coupled with scores of people wanting him dead, along with being raked over the coals to roll over on rich and powerful people. But apparently that’s not enough for people, they have to manufacture a murder.
But no, he was not murdered.
Idk if you actually believe this or not and it doesn’t really matter, if you expect anyone else to believe it you’re an incurable moron
And the cameras all suddenly failed and the guards were sleeping right? Putting the fed in fediverse.
This is not an unpopular opinion, the people here are just unhinged. It’s the other side of the same qanon coin.
But one ceo gets killed and the polic and fbi go all in
they’re just doing their job. protecting the interests of big business and the wealthy.
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Jeffrey Epstein. Imagine how many people whose names you haven’t heard just randomly committed suicide one day. Or had an accident. Or just disappeared.
Victoria Giuffre more recently in regards to Epstein.
she also said quite publicly that she’s not suicidal and she would never do that to her family, and if that happened she was suicided…
Yeah I know. Sadly this doesn’t get any bigger media representation.
I had thought she was in renal failure and her ex husband wouldn’t let her see her kids
Well I certainly won’t be purchasing any Boeing products in the near future.
I mean, good luck getting across the country without any airplane tickets.
surely by “the country” you mean 1 of the european ones with easy access to a fantastic network of very comfortable and fast high speed rail
Ah yes “the country” that everyone lives in
It’s not that difficult. Just takes some extra time.
Just fly an airline that doesn’t use Boeing that much like Frontier, Avelo, Hawaiian Airlines, JetBlue, Spirit.
I’d rather support murder than fly Spirit.
Chiquita overthrew a government and everyone still loves their bananas 🤷♂️
Right!? We literally have a store called Banana Republic.
About a week before OOP’s post the openAi whistleblower also died mysteriously https://apnews.com/article/openai-whistleblower-suchir-balaji-death-283e70b31d34ebb71b62e73aafb56a7d
the most interesting part to me is that nowhere along the line did anyone mention just how interesting it all is. you know the real bad shit has started when the press shuts up and universities bend over and one of the richest people in the fucking world has to re-think his pricing displays because it pissed off the King.
edit to add - he put a fucking tax on british tea without congress. that’s a taxation without representation. on british fucking tea.
I’d be more likely to believe that Boeing tried to kill him if he didn’t die
who I do remember is Brock Turner, yes that guy… the rapist Brock Turner. who now goes by the name of Allen Turner. that guy
You mean the pathetic rapist Brock Turner, who now goes by Allen Turner (also a pathetic rapist)?
This is honestly a subject I get annoyed about. The US has ‘whistleblower’ protections but it’s really not there. This isn’t a black-op opp, it’s a failure of protections/proper compensations for blowing the whistle. Imagine you’ve spent your whole life dedicated to one field of engineering. You’ve now sacrificed it to blow the whistle. It’s not fair, nor is it just, but that’s what happens.
Boeing has done so much wrong that it honestly feels negligent to focus on a perceived assassination. And it directs attention away from how whistleblowers could be protected
So what now we like conspiracy theories when they suit us?
Chat,
Did the Boeing whistleblower who deliberately told his family and friends that he wasn’t suicidal commit suicide?
What about tha other one a few weeks off from that one?
How are we supposed to keep track of all these Boeing whistleblowers suiciding themselves all over the place?
Let alone the ones they just maim.
Suicidal people lie about being suicidal.
That’s like the first thing you learn Suicide Awareness.
Do suicidal people reach out to their freinds and family to specifically tell them they aren’t going to commit suicide and nothing else?
You’re not going to be able to push your narrative here.
Suicidal people lie about being suicidal. And yes, they do reach out to friends and family.
It’s also important to note here, John Barnett was not giving any sort of testimony that could harm Boeing. That’s not what the trial was over,
No, the trial, or rather the appeal, was over Boeing’s retaliation against John Barnett for his past whistleblowing. Whistleblowing that resulted in Boeing receiving a fine.
That particular case was done and over. John Barnett had nothing more to add.
John Barnett sued Boeing for the wrongful termination, and other retaliation including Blackballing him (talking to other Aerospace companies to make sure they wouldn’t hire him), John lost the court case to Boeing’s high priced lawyers.
John then appealed, and gave testimony in court in front of the appeals judge.
I don’t know if you’ve ever been at a low point like that. Where you think you’ve hit rock bottom, and you hinge your hopes on just one thing going right, only for it to go horribly wrong.
I’ve been to that false rock bottom, and found the depths hidden below it.
Boeing didn’t need to hire some contract killer to pull the trigger.
John Barnett was fighting his wrongful termination for seven years. That’s how Boeing got John to pull the trigger. They drove him to suicide, didn’t need to go any further.
That’s what you conspiracy nuts miss. Boeing ruined a man’s life, and that’s the part that you’re ignoring. Or maybe you heard someone rightfully say that Boeing killed a man, and you thought it was meant literally.
Well said thank you.
His own family filed a lawsuit against Boeing that they were responsible for his death by causing his anxiety and depression. Is this the moral equivalent of murder? Probably. Is it the same as pulling the trigger? No. Why not? Because truth, and clarity in speech matter.
Do Boeings actions help deter future whistle-blowers? Yes.
Finding the correct label seems irrelevant.
It is absolutely, and I cannot state this enough, NOT irrelevant. Truth fucking matters.
Boeing was complicit in shortening a whistle-blower’s life. FACT.
Do you actually know anyone suicidal? They usually don’t tell people. They often don’t know themselves. They changed their mind. They’re depressed. They’re anxious. They’re not well. They die suddenly. Everyone is surprised. That is how it goes.
Not telling people is a heck of a lot different from being about to blow the whistle on a major corporation and telling people “if anything happens to me, it’s not suicide”.
How did “one family friend named Jennifer who can’t believe it” turn into “all his family and friends”
How often do suicidal people reach out to a bunch of their friends and family just to specifically tell them they are NOT going to commit suicide?
Literally all the time. Are you some sort of suicide expert?
Are you a bot?
I do have a real hard time picking all the squares with traffic lights in them…
That didn’t happen. One grieving family friend said that he said that. John Oliver would have a field day with you people lol. Boeing has hurt and killed a lot of people. They do this like corporations do - by cutting staff, evading regulation, buying politicians. Boeing is liable for great harm. But focusing on these conspiracies rather than getting to the root of the problem – that capitalism enables great harm by eroding our society – isn’t helping.
So Corporations will break any law for profit besides murder?
I trust the guy’s family more than the police lol, so do most people
You’re really bending over backwards to push this narrative.
What “narrative”? It’s on the Wikipedia page. It’s not a narrative, it’s what happened. Like… I really don’t care that much about this specific case. It’s more about the principle, the erosion of truth, the meaninglessness of facts. It’s honestly the same type of thinking that makes right wing conspiracists and I don’t want to capitulate to it. Focusing on a a salacious and improbable event downplays the real “evils” of capitalism, the smaller but cumulative things: the selfishness, the greed of everyday people and how profit motivated corporations enhance and multiply that. Contrapoints (Natalie Wynn) just did a fantastic video on conspiracies that touches on all three points. I would recommend it to anyone.
Focusing on a a salacious and improbable event downplays the real “evils” of capitalism
That’s the thing. These events are not just “salacious and improbable”. These events are actually happening in front of our eyes and they need to be taken seriously. These events are happening as a direct result of capitalism, and not calling it out will just allow the right to set the narrative on those issues.
These conspiracies come as a direct result of capitalism. Everybody can plainly see when Boeing murders whistleblowers that it is because of money/their image.
Failure to talk about these conspiracies is a failure to point out the specific failures of capitalism.
Also I assume you actually meant conspiracy and not conspiracy theory.
So what now we like conspiracy theories when they suit us?
No shit, Sherlock. Always have. How does this surprise you?
