cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/37218429
When called out on it, they then doubled down on this dogshit take: https://archive.ph/quYyb
People here need to read about how fascism in Germany and Italy were good for business but terrible for the workers. About how the moneyed interests played a role in the rise of fascism in both as a defense mechanism against unions and socialism.
Me being too lazy and putting off switching to Proton has paid off!
I cancelled my newly made subscription because of this and asked for the money back, currently theyre trying to stall that by all means.
I went with mailbox.org instead for much cheaper, the setup was really simple, but ive heard great things of other providers as well.
what the fuck??? literally HOW did he reach that conclusion
Anyone got a email site that won’t shut down or turn fascist?FastMail has been around a long time and they’re very good. MXRoute is good too and lets you have unlimited email addresses at an unlimited number of domains (they only limit it based on storage space)
I moved to mailbox.org due to this, very happy so far. They seem happy being just a mail provider with no aspiration for world domination on the privacy market, and their site layouts shows that with no upsells or similiar.
Support business policies of a group that removes oversight, accountability, responsibility, and makes it so he keeps more money.
What do US domestic politics have to do with a small Swiss company? Is there an indication that Proton would be sanctioned otherwise?
https://www.openbiz.io/blog/15-things-to-know-about-u-s-taxes-for-foreign-companies
- Foreign companies are generally subject to U.S. tax on U.S. source income. This includes income from selling goods or services in the United States, from owning or leasing property in the United States, and from investing in U.S. securities.
So yeah, doing business in the US, getting paid by US people, subjects them to some US regulations. Hence, they are affected by US domestic policy and politics.
Can americans not use credit processors that reside in another country? This sounds like a non issue for proton as long as they dont market to americans.
You expect everyone to do that?
Do what? Enter their credit card info into a webform? Sure, why not?
No, go out of their way to sign up with foreign payment agencies.
It’s a shame I have a year subscription to them. I’ll be cancelling and moving the second it runs outs.
Cancel it now so you dont forget it while it autorenews.
Already did!
This comment right here absolutely nails it.
The Republicans have installed a Supreme Court that guts antitrust at every step, and Andy gives them a pass. Anyone that’s that bloody oblivious of how the GOP have spent 25 years trying to remove consumer protections at every turn shouldn’t be managing a popsicle stand, let alone an email service so many rely on to be private.
What a redundant muffin.
Canceled my sub last night, ported everything to Tuta today. No issues this far.
Super disappointing, but is what it is and I’ll move on.
When called out on it, they then doubled down on this dogshit take:
That makes it seem like Andy here just doubled down, but it’s way worse than that. The company released an official statement doubling down on Yen’s stance.
Guy who sells VPNs really supportive of political party that blocks parts of the internet regionally
The initial post could just be chalked up to naivety if we’re feeling charitable, but using the official proton accounts for this stuff is an extremely bad move. Then half-assedly retracting it without acknowledging he posted it, doubling down, and making every classic PR mistake. Aside from potential capitulation to a regime that clearly values power more than human rights, there’s significant risk from a person with such bad judgement having apparently no safeguards or second opinions when he’s posting. What other decisions is he unilaterally making for proton that aren’t publicly known?
He’s another mini Elon wannabe, obviously. They’re coming out of the woodwork lately.
I hope people are taking notes so these scum don’t get to skate later when it falls down around their ears.
This is basically my thinking and why I will be shifting away from their products as well
This is bewildering. What a shame.
I had minor gripes with some of their services but Proton has broadly been pretty great in my eyes.
Some CEOs baffle me. Surely, even if they are massive fans of one US political party over the other, they’d have the sense to keep it to themselves to prevent it becoming a thing that causes a fallout with existing/potential customers? But no. They’re too fucking narcissistic for that, and they think everyone wants to hear their opinions and follow them.
Most of the companies/ceos doing this over the past few weeks do know better. That’s why they didnt say anything earlier. The reason they would be publicly taking this stance now is that they either expect to be rewarded by the incoming administration, or they hope to avoid punitive retaliation.
Cancelled my years long subscription today. Any company that bows down to tRump should be avoided. Vote with your wallet.
I did the same! No more proton unlimited! It is better to use products from multiple companies instead of one.
Who did you switch to? I’m looking to leave proton too with all this.
Mullvad, Tuta, Bitwarden.
Have you used these 3 before (or currently)?
I’ve used bitwarden and mulvad for years. Recommend both without hesitation.
I use that exact stack. Bitwarden for 3 years Mullvad and Tuta for one. Can’t speak to their ethics or anything I wouldn’t know. But the quality of service has been great for me at least
I’ve been using Tuta since 2016, on paid plan since 2019.
Outside a single longer outage early on I had nothing but good experience with their service. Granted, I only care about email and calendar (the only two products they have at the moment) but both work without any issues.
I heard they’re good and I have just recently created accounts for them.
Also curious. I left Mullvad because they stopped supporting port forwarding. Proton seemed like the best second option privacy/feature/price wise at the time. IVPN was touted highly around that time, but it appears they have also phased out port forwarding
I believe AirVPN is the last respected VPN that allows port forwarding.
I have also come across Windscribe, which seems reasonably well respected. Sadly, they make you pay extra for a static IP and port forwarding.
AirVPN has a lot of people complaining about connection speed.
Options are drying up 😢
for mail, posteo. For drive, calendar, contacts, passwords, I’m working on setting up nextcloud but it’s not ready yet. I still have a few months before I’m downgraded. for VPN, I’m still looking for alternatives.
More bandwidth for the rest of us!
Cancelled my subscription today. I will be finding an alternative.
an alternative for email or vpn? I’m also in the market for a new email now :/
Im happy with mailbox.org so far!
Email!
VPN I am sticking with Mullvad.
RiseUp.net for both. Disroot.org for email (And other services).
Do you happen to have an invite code for rise up? Seems I need one to register
I had just signed up a few nights ago to try it out before subscribing, it’s an easy cancel at this point and is being done momentarily.
I had it for a few months. Luckily it was easy to swap out this early on.
Time to find a new option.
How tall is Andy Yen?
Grrrreat… Can anyone please suggest an alternative? I’ve switched to Proton trying to de-Google…
I switched to PurelyMail and haven’t had any problems. Just mail with no marketing or other bullshit
Excellent, the more options the better! Thank you!
For Email: Posteo, Tutanota, Disroot
For VPN: Mullvad, AirVPN, IVPN
For password manager: Keypassxc, Bitwarden
Thx mr frog
Or support one of the last non-chromium browsers remaining by getting MozillaVPN/Relay and password manager
Can Tuta use a gateway similar to Hydroxide for Proton? I like my traditional email clients and have a machine I trust to encrypt/decrypt.
I believe they only allow you to use the official Tuta email client.
What do you suggest for cloud storage?
pCloud has 500tb lifetime for $200
I don’t have a lot of experience with cloud storage, but Filen.io appears to have a good reputation. They offer a lifetime license as well in 100gb chunks (under starter packs), which is interesting, especially if your storage size needs aren’t great.
I suggest Storj Tardigrade. It’s client-side encrypted by default (assuming you’re not using S3 gateway).
Thank you kindly!
I’ve been looking at fastmail and tuta
Thank you for the recs, will add them to the list! Maybe it’s time to go from one to many…
Damnit, same thing here.
