• LarmyOfLone@lemm.ee
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    The problem is that electronics make you dependent on a expensive, long and fragile and closed source technology. This is the opposite of liberation. Except for prosthesis of course.

    Ideally we’d rather have 3D printed sensory and internal organs to augment ourselves. Things that don’t wear out but can repair themselves and grow to become truly part of our body. Augments that last a lifetime and ideally extend our lifetime.

    The ultimate would be a type of biocomputer that we directly control with our brain and that can alter our body. Which is science fiction of course, but imagine meditating to reconfigure your body in some internal space, like changing your sex from male to female and then slowly growing towards that over a few months. That is far off obviously, but it marks the goal we should move towards. Not electronics or mechanics as a foreign object, but biological systems that become part of us.

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      The issue exists already in wheelchairs being hard to repair and internal pacemakers incorrectly shocking people with unmodifiable software. Most electronics suck in terms of ownership but there are some which do not. With the electronics inside you, and connected to your brain, it becomes even more important that the user is the one in control. I hope we can progress to that with cyborg tech too.

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      So did I. But after the new Deus Ex games and looking at the real tech scene evolve recently, I’m feeling more and more that just maybe Togusa had the right idea staying natural.

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    Hearing colour might be cool but I’d really like to upgrade my memory storage, and rocket punch.

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    Neil Harbisson is the world’s first officially recognised human cyborg

    fucking bullshit. stephen hawking couldn’t function or communicate without his chair & computer. you’re gonna say that doesn’t count? then i don’t trust your judgement

    • I think the term cyborg is reserved for actual replacement parts or implants. Because if you count Hawking using his chair, you’d have to conclude that whatever caveman that first used a tool is the real first cyborg.

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          yep, same here except i think power-source makes a slight difference to the degree of cyborginess. maybe we need a scale. maybe something like:

          1. caveman with tools, self-powered
          2. ancient person using naturalistic propulsion methods (wind, animals) for vehicles (ships, chariots) etc
          3. engine (steam, electric, gas) powered entities (vehicles, factories, aircraft)
          4. direct nervous system integration for thought-based control
          5. shared consciousness
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      I know somebody who has implated hearing aids. If they’re not a cyborg, I don’t know who is.

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        hernia mesh brother! that’s a great idea, I’m stealing it! my man

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      I think generally, assistive devices like Hawking’s wheelchair/speech synth wouldn’t qualify one for the title of “cyborg”, since they’re replacing lost/damaged functionality, and didn’t grant him any abilities not already available to the average person. Whereas Harbisson’s modification is giving him additional abilities that he didn’t previously have and are outside of the typical human experience.

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        Replacing lost functionality is also acceptable for a cyborg, but Hawkings simply didn’t replace any organic part of himself, he used external devices. Someone with cochlear implants or a total artificial heart totally should count as a cyborg though - they have integrated mechanical body parts (well, both are partly external I guess…)
        But it doesn’t really make sense that just because this version of a hearing implant doesn’t give you better than normal hearing, having an identical device that did would be the difference between being a cyborg or not.