• Melllvar@startrek.website
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    drove a balrog out of its natural habitat

    Akshully, they tried to keep it there. Imprisoned because of its religious beliefs! Killed while attempting escape!

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    I think you could make the argument that Orcs are just a bioweapon used to attempt genocide on the races of men.

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      Ah yes. This unterelven rethoric justifys the slaughtering of millions of orcs on cataclysmic scale

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        Unironically, yes. They were built for the purpose of war, they must be dismantled like any other unethical weapon. If one of them accidentally develops level of awareness greater than that of a child then maybe put them on trial first, idk. TBH I don’t think they’d even care with the Dark Lord gone, they don’t seem to do well without leadership and just act like extra hungry goblins.

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          and just act like extra hungry goblins

          Goblins and orcs are the same thing in Tolkien lore

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            All goblins are orcs but not all orcs are goblins, the Orcs of Misty Mountain are expressly Goblins as they live in places like Goblin Town and are lead by The Great Goblin.

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              Per the wiki

              A clear illustration that Tolkien considered goblins and orcs to be the same thing, the former word merely being the English translation of the latter, is that in The Hobbit (the only one of Tolkien’s works in which he usually refers to orcs as goblins) Gandalf asks Thorin if he remembers Azog the goblin who killed his grandfather Thror, while in all his other writings Tolkien describes Azog as a “great Orc”.

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                I believe if we the readers can clearly differentiate two groups then his intentions as the author hardly matter, so I think the only way to decide this argument would be to see if the origins or physiology of the two are actually any different. I could be fuzzy on the topic but I am pretty sure all of the Orcs in Middle Earth during the time of Mordor were shaped by the Dark Lord with exception of Goblins hiding in the mountains who had their own separate society.

                Regardless my statement was that the Orcs without a leader just start acting like overly hungry goblins, which stands even if you think the two terms are the same.

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            If I call a zombie a rotting extremely hungry man then have I insulted all mankind? Nice reactionary bs, mate.

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      Yes, this is the difference between terrorists and freedom fighters.

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    They didn’t kill the balrog. Gandalf merely defeated its physical form, but Durin’s Bane is a Maia, an immortal, spiritual being.

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    I’d argue the Balrog was more Durin’s people’s doing. Fellowship pretty much just wandered into a clusterfuck already in progress there.

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    Don’t forget that the GDP was on an upword trend with Mordor unemployment at near 0 levels. These jobs were never replaced, and won’t unless we can get some government financing back to ShiningSauron, inc. (IPO coming 4th Age)